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Exhausted. the war has exhausted them. >> right. >> and neither side was getting clear-cut victory so they decided to call a truce and some of people like corker have always been reasonable but people like boehner have to worry about their caucus. >> mika, for democrats, there is never really a political -- i mean, anything but a political advantage in taking republicans on a budget fights because we usually always lose those fights for one reason or the other. some of us would say because the press hates even a small reduction of spending increases. >> it's a harder thing to to do. >> harder ...

They vote against it when the bad bill's got the momentum to go through. we should be doing everything. using every tool in our tool box to try to stop bad legislation from happening. >> so what are are you doing, matt? what have you told the speaker? >> what i've said is as we go forward any time that they violate the pay/go rules which says we pay for -- pay as we go that if we don't have spending increases, bill doesn't go forward. i'm going to vote against the rule that violates that principle. the other one is the hastert rule that every time the leadership puts forth a bill where they've...

>> i think probably the best you could give the president credit for would be some proposals to curb the rate of growth of some programs swamped by cuts. i hear you and acknowledge that they have been swamped by the new spending increases. >> bill: sure. we are on track now, if you guys don't get it together, to be 20 trillion in debt by the time the president leaves office. as you know, ben bernanke is printing money unprecedented rate which devalues all the money we already have. >> right. >> bill: i'm seeing here an ultra serious situation that needs some urgency. >> this is extremely dange...

>> i think probably the best you could give the president credit for would be some proposals to curb the rate of growth of some programs swamped by cuts. i hear you and acknowledge that they have been swamped by the new spending increases. >> bill: sure. we are on track now, if you guys don't get it together, to be 20 trillion in debt by the time the president leaves office. as you know, ben bernanke is printing money unprecedented rate which devalues all the money we already have. >> right. >> bill: i'm seeing here an ultra serious situation that needs some urgency. >> this is extremely dange...

>> i think probably the best you could give the president credit for would be some proposals to curb the rate of growth of some programs swamped by cuts. i hear you and acknowledge that they have been swamped by the new spending increases. >> bill: sure. we are on track now, if you guys don't get it together, to be 20 trillion in debt by the time the president leaves office. as you know, ben bernanke is printing money unprecedented rate which devalues all the money we already have. >> right. >> bill: i'm seeing here an ultra serious situation that needs some urgency. >> this is extremely dange...