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Sense is that the governor himself is going to stick to his guns here and is going to try to pursue this any way he can. and i really think from talking to lots of republicans in a lot of places, they want to be ahead on the spending issue. they want to be known as the budget balancing and spending cutting party. but this issue over collective bargaining is getting in the way of it, because even though union membership is now relatively small, industrial unions minuscule, people still have a residual feeling if not affection, at least respect for the idea of collective bargaining, and for unio...

Supporting the wisconsin-like effort. the spending issue likely to dominate the next two years in office. the president's two years just as it did his first two. the president says deep budget cuts now could stop the economic recovery, make it difficult for small businesses to get the capital they need to grow and pick up hiring which everyone agrees is what the recovery lacks, shepard? >> shepard: white house correspondent wendell goler live on the north lawn tonight, thank you. parents who claim vaccines made their kids sick cannot sue drug companies in state courts. that's the ruling today ...

Continue to look at all of the problems we're facing and see if there could be a better way? i don't think it should be. i'm sure it will be, but it's kind of been a got you moment on both sides. me just saying i'm willing to look, listen and learn has ended up having both ends of the spectrum pretty upset. >> can't be a got you moment, though, if it goes on for years. got you moment is by necessity a short, sharp shock. let me ask you about another spending issue. i know you are a spending hawk in many ways. you signed on with a half dozen republican senators on the ten-year spending cap idea...

Money. i went after contractors because it is a huge waste of money. i carved out a fairly independent path when it relates to matters dealing with the way we spend money. so yeah, is this a got you moment, saying you're willing to continue to look at all of the problems we're facing and see if there could be a better way? i don't think it should be. i'm sure it will be, but it's kind of been a got you moment on both sides. me just saying i'm willing to look, listen and learn has ended up having both ends of the spectrum pretty upset. >> can't be a got you moment, though, if it goes on for yea...

Said by and large wanted to cut defense, intelligence spending and federal highway funds. but they also wanted to modestly increase things like education, job training and the money being spent on energy conservation, ali. real surprises in there. >> you said on the spending side, and you bring an interesting point up. people know this isn't just a spending issue. there are two ways to handle a shortfall. you spend less, and you raise more money. what did they have to say on the revenue side. >> taxes. yeah. on the revenue side, what we've heard a lot of, they want to go after the rich. by and...