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Has a legacy in politics and is considered by the rest of the country to be arch conservative. what does it say about the state of the gop that he wasn't conservative enough for utah? >> well, it's not just c conservati conservatism. i believe people feel the government is out of control. they have ignored the reforms for entitlement, cut spending programs and most people are saying we need to move the country in a different direction. that was a largest block of delegate voters on saturday felt the direction of the country is their biggest concern and they need to send a new generation of lea...

Apparent right now are the problems which we in america will probably face in the not-too-distant future. those problems are massive out of control entitlement programs, enormous debt, massive deficits, and continuing big spending programs. in short, martha, they can't pay their bills. greece can't, out of money, portugal is threatened, spain is threatened, italy, austria, probably in the same boat down the road if this thing spreads. so if i may say, their writing is on our wall. now -- go ahead, sorry. martha:is -- i was just going to say, stuart, you listen to that list of countries and one...

Budget deficit and pay for all these spending programs. they want it, they feel like it can solve the problem but the american public doesn't want it. it is a toxic tax. we are talking about maybe 15 to 18% of everything that you buy if we add a european vat. >> greta: it is a regressive tax. older have bought their washing machines it is going to hurt the younger people, tax younger people, the people who are still getting started and buying these durable goods. everyone else already has his durable goods. >> take for example the. pad retails for $799 -- if you put a 16 or 18% vat on top of t...

Budget deficit and pay for all these spending programs. they want it, they feel like it can solve the problem but the american public doesn't want it. it is a toxic tax. we are talking about maybe 15 to 18% of everything that you buy if we add a european vat. >> greta: it is a regressive tax. older have bought their washing machines it is going to hurt the younger people, tax younger people, the people who are still getting started and buying these durable goods. everyone else already has his durable goods. >> take for example the. pad retails for $799 -- if you put a 16 or 18% vat on top of t...

>> would you stand in a rally with people surrounding you, with placards showing that barack obama, playing around with his racial features, making him look like a nazi. would you participate in a rally when you see those signs around you? >> no. >> why do people you call independents do that unless they're on the right? why don't they pull the signs down and say that's un-american buddy? i don't like big taxes any more than you do. but that sign is anti-american. why don't they do that. i've never seen anybody pull anybody's sign down. >> i don't know why they don't do that. but what i'm tell...