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Versus a marketplace. we have 850,000 people who could be paid at market rates right now in the executive branch. you save $38 billion over five years. my favorite part of the story, david, is that the i.m.f. is saying that the e.u. sickest patients in the emergency room, they're telling them now if you want an i.m.f. loan you have to get out of healthcare, get out of transportation and get out of energy. in other words, get the state out of the marketplace to save money. >> david: but here in the u.s., quinton, would it be better or worse to improve better efficiency for workers getting hired...

That george bush didn't do ethisser. this is the problem. >> this doesn't make us competitive. high taxes and people will create jobs elsewhere. >> they'll leave. >> spending restraint is the trouble we're in. >> yeah. two things that you need. spending rate and economy. it's hard to cut spending when people are out of work. if you get growth and reduce the unemployment rate and reduce welfare and get people going off naturally and then you bring spending down if you have the ability and the political will to do it. >> glenn: 11.5% tax. >> yes. >> glenn: right now you have 50% of americans who...

>> bill: president obama is on a bus tour north carolina. they supported president obama last time around. the current climate in both of the states is not all that friendly to the president. for example, democratic politician ward armstrong running for the state ledge later in west virginia's no part of barack obama. >> i'm ward armstrong and now charles poindexter is comparing me to barack obama. that's a stretch, charles. i'm pro-life, progun and i always put virginia first. >> bill: joining us now from seattle fox news analyst karl rove. before we get into the electoral college and mr. oba...

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