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Point as they continue talking about it. farm bill, why does it have anything to do with food stamps. but they are put together in order to get them out of business. it's been delayed two years. both sides are sticking to their proposed cuts. so at some point hopefully in the next few weeks they will try to figure out a way to meet in the middle. 40 billion, 4 billion. maybe 22 billion. probably not. that will be the big sticking point as to whether to get something done. it's just a spending thing. the government is spending too much. >> the obama care, how is this playing out, juana? >> kath...

Spending thing. any big spending plan will be blocked in the senate. all the desire the administration to get big bail-out for municipalities, good luck, go to greece. you won't get it from washington. >> mike? >> i hope steve is right but i fear there will be more spending. the bigger problem is the fed chairman said he will support the spending, by supporting the borrowing that the government has to do to support the spending. he said i'll buy all the treasury bonds you throw out there and spend your way to a bigger mess right now. the government debt totals 94% of the economy. record since ...