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Would you object to that? why would you object to giving the folks more money down at that level? >> because it kills jobs. >> bill: but i just said, if the business didn't get hurt -- what does it matter? they're still paying 7.25 on their books 'cause they're getting a tax credit. >> they'll only hire skilled people. why not $100. >> bill: i think you have to have a wage scale. you have to go up the ladder. i feel bad for people making 7.25. you can't live on that. >> i do, too. but having government set a minimum hurts more than it helps. and most economists will tell you that. >> bill: all...

Highs, what you see with 49% of the american people pay no federal income tax. what you see with 49% of all u.s. households having at least one person on federal aid. when you tie that all together and say this is a direct result of barak obama's policies creating this growing dependency crowd, i'm going to put a stop to it. here is how. >> bill: you've got to be simpler. >> he needs to be talking about economic freedom and how that raises -- >> bill: he's got to do it in a direct manner. 15 seconds. to you think romney lost, right? >> i think he's going to lose the election. i think the last ...

America. you keep talking about tax returns. i'm sure he has done very well. that's what we want everyone to do in america. >> emily, just finally, you know -- >> -- absolutely that's why president obama has a plan for the middle class. >> listen, i speak as a conservative. the republicans last week were happy warriors, what you guys seem to be arguing and you are arguing today the republicans are much worse than us. that doesn't seem to be a very uplifting or true message. >> no. i think what we're arguing is the president has a strong record that he can run on. and he will run on. we're just...

America. you keep talking about tax returns. i'm sure he has done very well. that's what we want everyone to do in america. >> emily, just finally, you know -- >> -- absolutely that's why president obama has a plan for the middle class. >> listen, i speak as a conservative. the republicans last week were happy warriors, what you guys seem to be arguing and you are arguing today the republicans are much worse than us. that doesn't seem to be a very uplifting or true message. >> no. i think what we're arguing is the president has a strong record that he can run on. and he will run on. we're just...

America. you keep talking about tax returns. i'm sure he has done very well. that's what we want everyone to do in america. >> emily, just finally, you know -- >> -- absolutely that's why president obama has a plan for the middle class. >> listen, i speak as a conservative. the republicans last week were happy warriors, what you guys seem to be arguing and you are arguing today the republicans are much worse than us. that doesn't seem to be a very uplifting or true message. >> no. i think what we're arguing is the president has a strong record that he can run on. and he will run on. we're just...