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In the street rallies now in russia face severe risks, not because we are doing something wrong, but also because putin is doing something wrong and because putin destroyed all opportunities for people to participate in politics, to participate in rallies and street protests. but is your message to these people in russia that they should take to the streets? i noticed one of your colleagues still inside the country has called later this week for street protests in many russian towns and cities. i'm just wondering whether you feel you can continue to try to use your social media platforms and y...

And then, the next day, during the start of military operation, and so on and so on. so putin, of course, makes it very efficient, like, to make the trial about — against, like, the world political prisoner number one non—existent in the western media. yeah, 0k. you and navalny described putin as the richest man on earth, as a result, you say, of just the systemic, massive corruption engaged in by himself and his key associates. what confidence do you have that, for all of the words from president biden, prime minister boris johnson and many others, what confidence do you have that the wes...

Well, i'm not saying we have enough tools to stop him right now, but we have to increase cost for him, like, both internally and internationally, in order to deter him. that's what we were calling for, like, to increase the cost. that's why we were campaigning during the last year for these massive personal sanctions against putin's money. and these sanctions unfortunately came too late. well, we'll talk sanctions injust a moment. just clarify for me, if you would, whether you believe that putin's message, which we saw in that extraordinary address to his national security council — and we'v...

To pass the assets they stole to their children, to their heirs. they need rule of law to legalise those assets, to buy something, to buy some property, to make it legit and to be able to pass it to their heirs. as they perfectly know, it's not possible in their home country because there is no rule of law. so, for years, they've been pumping, like, hundreds of billions of dollars, like putin and his friends, to the west. london being the most important destination for the money stolen from russian taxpayers, and that's somethings that always made and still makes him vulnerable. but i come bac...

22 that he will be able to do it again. he miscalculated. he was very wrong. and public opinion in russia is split. according to the most trustworthy polls, the independent levada polls, it's like 45 pro and 40% contra, which is bad news for putin, which never happened. he used to enjoy like 70 or 80% of popular support. so now the country's split. we have to work hard also to split putin's elite, to install cracks within the elite that may help, well, to stop him. because there are people inside the government, around putin, who are very unhappy with what's actually happening. they are losing...