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They made. >> the central point of this is al qaeda and our efforts to interject al qaeda and obviously that's how we got into afghanistan, for example. there are varying opinions in the wake of the middle east unrest. al qaeda has dealt a severe propaganda blow because, look in the end the middle eastern governments it loathes for so long toppled not by armed conflict, but peaceful demonstrators. >> this was a quote from "the new york times" by former analyst paul pillar al qaeda and the terrorist movements when they see takeovers of governments and if you're able to generate that, you robbed...

Mcchrystal memo on how bleak everything was. i asked him on the mood, how did your mood and impregz change when the only real difference between the bleak report mcchrystal did and the very rosy picture that you just gave was a de34r0iment of a very small number of forces. if we've achieved so much success with so little deployment why do we need the surge? it was just a very odd exchange. >> maybe it was psy-ops. >> who knew? steve clemens, good to have you as always, thank you. >> up next, the chaos in the middle east is affecting the price at the pump. we knew that was coming. how long can ...

That's not psy-ops. >> the source was an on the record source, michael holmes. >> one source. >> on the record and hasting was asked about this on msnbc. >> i believe he finally went public with this was because right from the beginning he right from the beginning when he was ordered to do, it is a bad idea, it is a bad idea. >> rachel, if the on the record source is saying i didn't want to do this doesn't that give you some justification to publish? >> i have to clarify what you said at the beginning. michael hastings didn't get stanley mcchrystal fired. mcchrystal got himself fired. >> here ...

Show you some sort of a village, as reporters you find yourself in these dog and pony shows and think wait a minute, this isn't real. what is different about this? >> it's certainly part of the same larger picture. but the issue is the resource or the weapon the military is employing to do that. when we're out there, we're with public affairs and we know their job is to spin us and put the best face on things. this is a great question, right? if you found out your team showing you around had -- just had completed a 40-hour course in psychological operations and was trained in psy-ops, you star...

Afghanistan, general david petraeus, is ordering an investigation joining appreciate both of you being with us. when people hear psy-ops, that's supposed to be directed toward the enemy. there's a quote in the article that said "what do i have to plant inside their heads? what kind of tactics are we talking about here when we talk about see ones that you say you were asked to use toward u.s. senators and others?" >> i think really more correctly what we would say is influence operations. and what we mean by that is, how would we influence these senators, these visitors or the think tanks that ...