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Concession to bp last year. and we now know, although we knew some of this last year as well, that bp weighed in with the british government. the guy who did it, who was the bp point person on this, was a guy by the name mark allen. a former high level mi-6 spy master. he was their chief of counterterrorism, one of their top middle east experts, then went to work for bp. had a relationship with khadafi. he weighed in with jack straw, then the british foreign minister and he said please sign this, sign the prisoner transfer agreement. what the libyans wanted was a prisoner transfer agreement to...

On this scale, i believe, was 1984 or 1985 where they had something like around ten people going one way, five people going the other. that doesn't happen very often. we don't capture spies on a regular basis. we have minor cases where we capture a single spy involved in espionage and maybe a few other conspirators. but typically one spy master who is sent out of the country and somebody in the united states who is convicted. >> okay. i know this is going into the realm of the hypothetical, but i want to ask it anyway. is it conceivable that we nabbed all these people because whoever was over ...

Lydia derra is a great story. >> glenn: quakers -- >> they don't get involved, you stay out of this. if you get involved we'll kick you out of the church. >> glenn: they were pacifists. >> they were pacifists and because of that they tended to lean loyalists, pro-british. not going to support a revolution, so leave status quo the way it is. when the british invaded philadelphia and major cities every winter they would take it over and that's why we have third amendment to constitution. they would go in and put the british troops in private homes and say take care of these guys, laundry, cook, ...

>> glenn: they were pacifists. >> they were pacifists and because of that they tended to lean loyalists, pro-british. not going to support a revolution, so leave status quo the way it is. when the british invaded philadelphia and major cities every winter they would take it over and that's why we have third amendment to constitution. they would go in and put the british troops in private homes and say take care of these guys, laundry, cook, food, whatever. general in philadelphia chose the house he wanted, threw the americans out and they went to the house, lydia was the wife and said out, we'...

Flee? the others do not. >> okay. thank you very much, bob windrem for that we'll talk further now. how on earth an accused spy master is released on bail is the question many are asking now. to help answer it, i'm joined by michael summmerconish. did anybody see "the bourne identity" out there? this is like the real jason bourne. >> nelson demille wrote a book called "the charm school," don'don't know if you read it, but it was terrific. and a movie called "telephone," same plot as this. i think, and you mentioned jason bourne, we all think hollywood fiction. i think there is a tendency to tr...