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>> uh, kind of. >> okay, good. >> i don't need to talk about it. >> okay. >> how are you doing, bud? >> it has been a rotten, rotten time. all the -- there's so much sympathy and so much activity surrounding it, it's unbelievable. >> reporter: so, just as the cops had been hoping, fred and frank talked. but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. >> we had, like, 60-plus phone conversations between them. >> and you're tapping them all. >> and we're tapping 'em all. >> but they just didn't slip up. so it was time, the detectives decided, to launch the undercover ...

Cellphone to talk. that call was also recorded. >> hello. did you hear a lot of that? >> kind of. >> okay. good. i don't need to talk about it. >> okay. >> how are you doing, bud? >> it has been a rotten, rotten time. all the -- there's so much sympathy and so much activity surrounding it, it's unbelievable. >> so just as the cops had been hoping fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. >> we had like 60 plus phone conversations between them. >> and you're tapping them all. >> and we're tapping them all. >> but they just didn't slip-up....

>> so just as the cops had been hoping fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. >> we had like 60 plus phone conversations between them. >> and you're tapping them all. >> and we're tapping them all. >> but they just didn't slip-up. so it was time, the detchbs decided to launch the under cover squad led by chris nelson. >> nick harvey told the homicide guys what's up, nick told me. so now if you're frank and fred, your biggest concern is that nick's caught. >> of course. and you want to make sure he's not going to say anything. first de...

Someone she met and tried to help. >> exactly. >> reporter: fred hung up with the detective and picked up his cell phone to talk to jaramillo. that call was also recorded. >> hello. did you hear a lot of that? >> kind of. >> okay. good. >> i don't need to talk about it. >> okay. >> how are you doing, bud? >> it has been a rotten, rotten time. all the -- so much sympathy and so much activity surrounding it. it's unbelievable. >> reporter: so just as the cops had been hoping, fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. >> we had like 60-plus...

Some of those four members who refer to themselves as the squad led by alexandria ocasio-cortez. i think he really wants to seize on some of those intraparty divisions but when he makes comments like these and goes after those members of congress so personally all he really does is unifies the democratic party against him. >> also raises another question, astead. if the point is to make liberal members of congress who can be controversial. we know this. but if the point is to make them the face of the entire democratic party, is it working? >> well, i think that's been a point republicans are ...