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They've been running since they first thought of going to law school, howard you don't have to ask why a guy is running. they've all been rung. that's what they do. they run for office. >> i agree with what susan says on one level. >> do you agree with me? >> no. on one level it's very unfair. on another level, this is a problem that i think all sort of long-time politicians and incumbents, she is sort of an incumbent in a way. >> right. >> so incumbents -- >> incumbent on the incumbent to have a narrative. >> but what would it be to satisfy the questioners? >> well, they'll never be satisfied...

>> so incumbents -- >> incumbent on the incumbent to have a narrative. >> but what would it be to satisfy the questioners? >> well, they'll never be satisfied, obviously. but it's the dissonance between her love of everyday americans and the way she has been up to her eyeballs in money and influence for all these years that is something she has to figure out how to square the circle of. she can. i'm not quite sure how. >> a lot of that success in raising money through speech make and friends and all has financed her political career. i mean that's how you do it. >> i think she has to say that....

That in the end comes out of this that is politically sust n sustainable. and you saw it beginning this week with the current head of the nsa talking about the plots that have been disrupted. i do think, again, an honest conversation about what is and what isn't being collected so that, like i said, i don't turn on the tv and i hear people talk about literally there must be the millions and millions of fbi agents that are listening to every single phone call in this country. not only is that -- >> be responsible -- >> not only is that -- right. not only is that not happening it's incapable of ...

This that is politically sust n sustainable. and you saw it beginning this week with the current head of the nsa talking about the plots that have been disrupted. i do think, again, an honest conversation about what is and what isn't being collected so that, like i said, i don't turn on the tv and i hear people talk about literally there must be the millions and millions of fbi agents that are listening to every single phone call in this country. not only is that -- >> be responsible -- >> not only is that -- right. not only is that not happening it's incapable of happening. >> i do think one ...

Can't square the circle. so on the one hand, you hear people say, oh, we've disrupted 50 terrorist plots. and on the other hand, boston happens. we were warned about this person twice. and yet somehow that occurred. and we know that terrorists get on the internet all the time and get a how-to book to do all kinds of things. so i think people are having trouble reconciling what appears to be a lot of oversight with something like boston. and in the end, as we all know, it's human nature, if you don't know something, you assume the worst. the american people have woken up to the fact that they d...