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Sanction 300 russian politicians seems to be an effort to prevent russia from trying to squirrel away from some of these sanctions. how significant are these latest developments? >> well, it's interesting that they went after the duma, the members of the parliament because they're the decisionmakers. of course, many european countries had already done that. but i think the real behind the scenes conversation here in brussels has really been about how you ultimately choke off the one last big piece of revenue that the russians have coming in. and that's for its sale of gas to europe, particular...

Few hours about some long-term plans, emphasis on the long term, to wean europe of russian -- dependency on russian gas. >> yeah, it's a major point of contention. and we're going to be looking, as you said, for some answers on that. but we're also learning that nato is planning to reinforce its chemical, biological and nuclear defense system because they are afraid that russia will use chemical weapons in ukraine. it comes as you and others are reporting about these tiger teams. these groups of national security officials who have been meeting to basically sketch out what the response would b...

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Them about that for that time period. so we do have to make that adjustment. let's remember, we're 28 days into this. economic sanctions have a cumulative impact. russia is definitely feeling the pain. it's hard to say what putin is going to do long term. we have to do what we can to push him towards changing his calculation. and i think that's what we're doing. there are other options, other things we're going to add that we're constantly in discussion about. each day there's something new that is added to the sanctions list. and that's going to continue. try to put maximum pressure on putin....

Point? we are in negotiations and discussions with our allies about how we approach that. but make no mistake about it. a lot is being done to confront putin and those war crimes that he is committing. >> those sanctions you talked about, they are working to constrict the russian economy, but they haven't seemed to had an impact on putin's strategy on the ground. his decision-making. the russian stock market is back open. the ruble is stabilizing. do sanctions work if european allies aren't or can't or won't target russian oil and gas? >> yeah, there's more that we need to do. and that would b...