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An appeal to you? >> you know i'm not going to get into hypotheticals, we have a process here it's long established. i look forward to hearing directly from tom if there's new information or information that can be helpful to us in getting this right. i want to hear directly from tom on that. >> how do you address the question of how can you be fair hearing the appeal after you've made a judgment? >> two things it was an independent investigation, done by ted wells and drew a conclusion about whether there was violation or not. he drew the facts and drew the investigation. i got a chance to re...

Hypotheticals. we have a process here that is long established. i look forward to hearing directly from tom if there is new information or there is information that can be helpful to us in getting this right. i want to hear directly from tom on that. >> how do you address the question of how can you be fair hearing the appeal after you've already meted out judgment? >> two things. first off, it was an independent investigation done by ted wells. he drew a conclusion about whether there was a violation or not. he drew the facts and the investigation. i got a chance to read the report just short...

Lying, whatever you want to call it, how damaging is all this to him personally in terms of credibility? >> let me say a couple things. first of all, i disagree with david. my staff led him to believe it was true and the early staff was weak and made a lot of mistakes and i think he's a truth teller. i do believe that he told the truth as he heard it and saw it. secondly, anybody who compares this to katrina is smoking something. 3,000 people were killed in katrina. we haven't lost any lives here yet. this may be a big political mess and blah, blah, blah, we haven't lost lives. >> that is my i...

Soon created problems with other inmates. >> i'm not looking for trouble, but at the same time i will duck when i feel it. you feel me? this is the penitentiary and you have to stand tall and tend to it. you know, what i mean? you can't take the losses. this is the long place to be a bitch and it is the principle, you feel me? you don't steal an ink pen for me. you get killed on the streets for stealing, and the same in prison. >> staff led that it would lead to a fight and sanctioned wright for taking matters into his own hands. he was transferred to administrative segregation, and the custod...

us. ted, how hard has it been this morning for kids and teachers to arrive at school? >> reporter: well, as you can imagine, fred, it's been a very tough day here. it was a tough day yesterday, too. students came with their parents yesterday to school. they had about 1.5 hours in the school cafeteria, the school classrooms where they could go. there were counselors on hand to talk to. they have changed the school taffe tear yeah. that's where the shooting took place. they changed it in a way that they've painted it. they've changed the way the cafeteria tables are arranged in the roo...