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Staff are unfilled with an acting head. i'm curious, from your perspective, how does this bigger staffing problem make governing for this administration? >> it makes it tremendously difficult. you often hear president talk about it. it's a two or three stage problem. the administration never really got off to a good start. you may remember that they got rid of the personnel operation that chris christie had put together at the start of the administration and never really recovered. after 700 odd positions that require senate approval, 270, as of last month, were still unfilled. you got to find...

There's now a serious staffing problem at the white house. not only is don mcgahn leaving, but there are several other members of the white house counsel's office who are also leaving their positions. these are crucial roles. what could this mean for the business of government that there are going to be so many vacancies in white house counsel's office? >> you are absolutely correct to point out this is going to be a major change at the white house. it's not just mcgahn. it's the people that were working with mcgahn. they were trying to keep on top of all of the judicial nominations that the p...

You saw that graphic that said more than 20,000. that's the number they're projecting. it could be there by the end of the summer. you heard from kirsten about how well they're being cared for. setting aside she's not talking about the emotional trauma they're going through. she's talk about them being fed and clothed and i guess have a blanket. but is there enough staffing there? >> nobody has ever questioned whether or not the department of health and human services through their contract or organizations takes good care of kids placed into the office of refugee resettlement. late last week....

And it points to what is a truly existential staffing problem that this administration will have. i mean, they have a bad one now. it is going to get infinitely worse once you lose the people who are loyalist like jeff sessions, hope hicks. when you're on your third chief of staff and so on and so forth. so, i think people think of this current moment of the white house as chaotic, and we don't think it could get even more so. but i think you will have more disorder when we get to the next round of hires because they are not loyalists. they are also not the top professional that you can recrui...

The staffing problem at the white house. i think when they're looking for staffers, a lot of people don't want to come to the white house. then you have some people who would come to the white house that the president won't look at because of criticism they made during the campaign. even if it's just a few not so friendly tweets. so the president has to deal with the pool of people that exist. porter, among those people, probably was pretty good at his job even if he had this very sordid background. my guess is they turned a blind eye. >> dana: i know a young person who had applied to work in ...