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>> i think that joel recognized what he was, and he was trying to relate to it in terms of, you know, like i'm not the only person that's doing this. are you saying you kept things because you read this in the book? >> right. the book said keep things, so i started keeping things. >> i mean those were clearly things that could link you to any number of the victims. >> yep. i don't know. there were things that made sense. there were things that didn't make sense. >> i think he doesn't have an explanation because he really did use those items. he used them to fantasize about the crimes, to essen...

28, you know? i don't think you would have stopped, do you? >> i had a plan to. >> well you had a plan to after number one. >> yeah, but now i was taking physical steps. whether the plan would have worked. >> what were the steps? >> i was about to see down south little part onto west virginia doing a unabomber, getting a cabin out in the woods, just surviving. now if you have $100, it has to be survival money, you can't go play at the truck stops, if you do, you don't eat for a week. >> no, but you would have driven into, you know, one of the towns or the big cities in west virginia. my guess ...

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