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>> i believe it came from africom or south africa. gregg hicks was the second in command in libya during the benghazi attacks. he's accusing a standdown order. a lot of debate over the standdown order. but that moment from gregory hicks. he comes across as very credible and not having anything in the game other than his recollection of what happened that night. >> he wasn't playing partisan politics. the military doesn't do anything without a paper trail. if he was given an order to stand down there will be emails and orders and directive. where are they? we haven't seen them yet.

>> no, the point is what do we know about benghazi that we didn't know when this investigation started? what can we tell the families? what can we tell the american people about these core conspiracy allegations, that there was a standdown order or that there was a gun running or that the secretary interfered with security and the fact is, chuck, after 17 months, $4.5 million, we have nothing new to tell the families. apart from that there was a private e-mail server. that doesn't tell us anything about benghazi. and let me say this, too, when richard hanna talks about what the republican conf...

Phases to this scandal. there is the phase that led up to this. what was ambassador stevens doing in tripoli with security train down? if this was her friend, he knew about these cables. he'd been asking for security. hillary didn't give it to him. yet she sent him to tripoli that night with no security. and by the way, there was an attack on the consulate, the british be consulate and the red cross. they had closed both of them down in the weeks that led up to it, and sandra, our consulate was attacked twice before that fateful night in benghazi, twice. and the second time a hole was blown in...

General fighting in the syrian at the beginning, let's civil war. establish rules for the you've got iran, you've got committee. let's establish rules so we can general suleimanny in bed with vote on subpoenas. you can have the majority vote, the russians so you now have whatever. they wouldn't even establish rules. russia, cuba and iran all arm in why? they want to run this the way they want it. arm and anyone who believes they want to be able to go after secretary clinton. russia is fighting against >> but hang on, isn't -- aren't terrorism, i've got to a bridge they justified in the fact th...

There was one thing he wanted to do before he commented on the record about what his comments were and kmants were. wanted to tell the audience about what it was. >> he wanted to listen to the tapes so he knew what kind of question he was going to be asked and what kind of evidence there was. if there wasn't a standdown order, megyn, if there was no issue for a police officer to do his job, why aren't so many in trouble while a city burned. >> leland thank you. for more we turn to tom vierney who runs the website offbeatcops.com. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> so there's no doubt, l...