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Transfers as they're called. give us a sense of how painful this is for you personally to watch this, general. >> i've got to tell you, wolf, it's choking me up, because i not only participated in a couple of these as a one star general when i was assigned to the pentagon, they would ask flag officers to volunteer to go to dover to meet the transfers at the height, at the early stages of both the war in afghanistan and iraq. several of us went up. it's not only tough from the standpoint of just seeing this because these great patriots sacrificed their lives for our country doing the job that t...

Family, leave your home? the 17-year-old ida is the chief programmer. >> i have recommendation for all the people that are still in afghanistan or around the world, just do not never give up and continue the things that you want. >> joining me no kelly o'donnell, norah o'donnell and four-time star general. let's start with what we say that just wrapped up minutes ago. what did you learn from general taylor and john kirby? >> one of the things that stuck out is the acknowledgment that now the u.s. military is leaving the wire to go and help americans who may be stuck? kabul and can't get to the...

Administration. they could have handled this a thousand ways. i saw a four star general talking the other day, made a great point, he said he could have given this job to any junior lieutenant he had on his staff and they would have done better planning this than our top brass at the pentagon and the state department have done in this. it is unbelievable. we are in a position where we have 2500 out of potentially 15,000 american citizens that are stranded essentially behind enemy lines with the taliban and isis roaming the streets looking to kill people. they are stranded there and essentially...

And as a four star general just texted me he said and admitted that he was wrong. >> we were watching the press conference and waving you ask the questions. there are numbers flying around and when we hear 2500 americans are able to get out. any sense how many more americans are left? >> the estimates vary. john kirby said between 5,000 and 10,000. over to the white house, jen psaki says at least 11,000. we're hearing from capitol hill lawmakers they have been briefed by state department and dod, the defense department, that there's between, you know, 10 and 15,000 americans. so when we hear o...

D.c. should step down. i think the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff should not be a four star general it should be 04. the it should be a major it should be a young officer who actually fought on the ground. all these people that all they do is sit there and they run their mouth and i'm talking about democrats and republicans, talk, talk, talk, two more years get reelected. everyone get out of there. just leave. we have people that can handle this we have people who can fight. we have people like even when talking to my friends today, are we worried about isis coming to your house? do hav...