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Showed when i shared that tape of general kelly when he took me in the basement of the white house, into the situation room. had i not had that tape rev it would be hard for peoplible the i was threatened by a four star general with things getting ugly or damage to my reputation. in trump world everybody lies, it's a culture of deceit. people turn on each other very, very quickly and you have to have documentation for everything you do. even trump. in the morning he may say one thing, by the afternoon he's flip-flopped so the question about whether or not i do, absolutely. i have this vast his...

The four star general has had a tumultuous position at times, most notably getened flatt-- ge flattened in the trial and going without a chief of staff if he were to leave. john kelly's tenure as chief of staff would be among the longest in history if he stays on the board through 2020, guys. >> interesting, that is a long time away, especially in this white house. joining us again, white house reporter for political reporter andrew restucian, let's talk about chief kelly. this is a man bounced around for a few weeks as being checked out, so to speak. what can we see in terms of staffing perso...

And that was the agenda is coming out from the russians side. the kremlins reading out part of the meeting. especially this idea of what you need to do to have the start treaty updates. what you need to do for the intermediate range missiles. these are cruise muscissiles. and of course nonproliferation in general. i will say in the middle east, this morning at the pentagon, there was a briefing by the four star general in charge of centcom, that's basically in the middle east. he said there's nothing in the works for more interaction between the u.s. defense department and the russian defense ...

How frustrated and angry their base is. >> yeah. >> and perhaps when they're all gone, if the democrats take over the house this fall, we'll see some more active leadership because right now -- >> maybe new york will take over the house this fall. anyway, u.s. congressman jayapal, sam stein, and jason johnson. real simple pronunciations. up next, rumors are swirling that chief of staff john kelly, the four star general is on his way out. if a four star general can't keep this guy in line, nobody will? he wants to go it alone. trumpinstincts. he believes they're better than anyone else's thinki...

That the top two choices to replace the journal are nick ayers and mick mulvaney. whether they'll have better luck restraining trump's mercurial instincts than a retire the four star general is an open question. nbc reported kelly was likely to leave by july 31st. i'm joined by the "hardball" roundtable, anita kumar, phil rucke rucker. every time i see the general, i look at a grown-up. every time i see the president, a see something a little different. all right? how does he get to tell the president what to do? it looks to me like he can't, and he has realized now he can't. >> well, he proba...