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>> john is still with us and joining us is julie rodner. julie, i was at the saturday charity event that jimmy kimmel mentioned with him. astonishing to see the response he got there. i have to say, julie, i wasn't surprised because i have never seen someone outside the senate affect a senate debate the way jimmy kimmel did in a week. >> yeah. he really had an amazing impact. you know, and i think we have been hearing that a lot of the advocates are tired. they have been doing this, this bill back to life and everybody saying you have to go start calling and going again. and i think this time,...

You know, and i think we have been hearing that a lot of the advocates are tired. they have been doing this, this bill back to life and everybody saying you have to go start calling and going again. and i think this time, you know, people are starting to flag a little bit thinking it was over in july and i think jimmy kimmel did sort of shine a spotlight on it and help rouse some of the people back up to realize that this is something that really could have happened. >> and julie, you spent the day trying to cover this senate finance committee hearing. unlike any of the committee had before wi...

Executives who knew what they were getting. they weren't getting music teamer from the upper west side of manhattan. they got a duck hunter from the middle of the woods in louisiana. they profess ignorance and curl up in fetal position when whiney advocate groups start calling. throw him under the with us. >> what should they have done. >> this is what he said. this is a free country and we are going to stick with him because we know what he was all about. i'm sure they edited stuff out that he had said like this. they knew what he he was all about and they should he was ab. they should have s...

Gave up being part of the action and passion of his times. >> well, for more on richard nixon's very complicated, in many ways dark legacy, douglas brinkley is professor of history at rice university. and and the executive editor of "time" magazine, author of "the president's club: inside the world's most exclusive fraternity." what was the relationship between dick nixon, republican base scandalized by his own hand, and bill clinton who was coming on as a young, fresh face out of ivy league schools? >> nixon really wanted to get to know clinton when he got in. he sent a bunch of notes, call m...

Let's just start with i love these relationships in politics. i love to write about them and think about them. what was the relationship between dick nixon, republican, scandalized by his own hand and bill clinton was coming on as a young, fresh face out of the ivy league schools. >> nixon really wanted to get to know clinton when he came in. he said call me, i can help you. but then he did start calling. and he's had this sort of relationship talking about russia and china, but also talking, chris, about how to do this job. what do you eat? how much time do you spend in meetings? where did yo...