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Military force. we don't know what you china's role here is. >> we don't know. what we do know is that kim jong un recently made a visit to china, the first one, and talked to sh the president there. what we've seen is that kim jong un has undertaken to shall we say rebrand himself from a complete nut into a new statesman and that's what he is doing with the olympics and that's what he was doing in this meeting with president moon. now, the question is even mainstream media described this meeting as being at best a note of cautious optimism. but there's a little bit of a danger here, paul, in ...

Military force. we don't know what you china's role here is. >> we don't know. what we do know is that kim jong un recently made a visit to china, the first one, and talked to sh the president there. what we've seen is that kim jong un has undertaken to shall we say rebrand himself from a complete nut into a new statesman and that's what he is doing with the olympics and that's what he was doing in this meeting with president moon. now, the question is even mainstream media described this meeting as being at best a note of cautious optimism. but there's a little bit of a danger here, paul, in ...

What we've seen is that kim jong un has undertaken to shall we say rebrand himself from a complete nut into a new statesman and that's what he is doing with the olympics and that's what he was doing in this meeting with president moon. now, the question is even mainstream media described this meeting as being at best a note of cautious optimism. but there's a little bit of a danger here, paul, in that president moon did not extract very much from kim. they talked about a new peace. but essentially what moon is doing here is reviving the so-called talks or negotiation model. in other words, don...

Biggest violation of borders basically since world war ii. i think this idea of trump having to give some kind of statement to say, look, to the american people, they are our adversary. we need to have a strategy to contain them, i know i've not criticized vladimir putin before in the past but this is serious business and we need an overarching strategy to contain them. i think that's a very good point. >> what do you think of the nbc report, carol lee and team, of him telling his aides don't talk about vladimir putin. what do you think he's doing there? >> well, again, i always -- i'm always ...

And so sometimes -- >> what did he do? >> there are things like, you know, just the notion that you can just call up anybody and start negotiating. in his recent dealings with russia potentially, i could see where from a standpoint of naivete jared might think it was perfectly okay to ask for a back channel to vladimir putin because there wouldn't necessarily be anything stopping him from doing that in the private sector. >> did you see him do things like that in the private sector? was he influencing or running "the observer" in any way that you found curious? you only stayed there for a year...