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Approach, while continuing to leverage the shared capabilities and synergies. finally, we must redouble our efforts to deepen partnerships between government and the private sector, and between the u.s. government and our allies. we must continue to seek help from american industry, the source of much of the world's greatest technology talent in innovating, to find cyberdefense solutions, build resiliency into our critical infrastructure systems, and strengthen our deterrents. with our international allies and partners, we must work together to promote stability in cyberspace universal recogni...

Free speech are well beyond the bounds of acceptable state behavior in cyberspace." our next guest say former military assistant to secretary of defense donald rumsfeld, also a leading security consultant to ibm. good evening. >> it good evening. thanks for having me. and i don't man to be hung up on the idea of if this is an act of war or not pu about now you've got the secretary of state saying this is a national security matter. that sounds like more than a robbery down the street. >> the hack itself wasn't an act of war. it was cyberespionage. they stole stuff. but instead of using it for ...

Partnerships perhaps in a diplomatic initiative to send a signal that this is unacceptable state behavior. >> who are the guardians of peace now that we know that the root of this attack in north korea? do we have intel about the perpetrators? >> the u.s. government and folks that i know are indicating that there is indeed pretty strong evidence, not all of which they are willing to site to protect sensitive sources and methods. i think it's fair to assume that this group is likely more sophisticated than probably a north korean agent. these are probably there does seem to be evidence that the...

Former coordinator for counter terrorism at the state department and secretary of defense. thank you both. we start with sony here. as we mentioned, talking about how north korea is in fact behind this attack. north korea's actions were meant to inflict significant harm and express themselves. it falls outside the bounds of acceptable state behavior. beyond the words, how can they respond to north korea? >> it's important they respond with an eye towards setting a long-term precedent to develop constructively norms in cyberspace. to that end, i think what we are going to see is probably work t...

>> if you look overtime what has taken place is really the ability to get in and steal data. we moved from that into this area of destruction. i think it's a bit of a watershed event. this is a very public display of what can take place. more than stealing data. i think it sends a wake up call to companies around the globe that although they are getting in, the next step is destroying data, perhaps even holding them hostage for ransom and it ushers in a new era we need to take seriously. >> you worked at the previous administration. what the statement said and pete williams was pointing out th...