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That's what he's done with gates. but it's fascinating to watch how he's pressuring manafort. think about this, aaron, if you're facing taking your last breath in federal prison if you don't cooperate, what is it that's motivating you to not cooperate? there's only three options here. one is you're certain of your innocence, which manafort's asserting. but i've got to tell you in the charging documents we've read, these are solid paper cases, multi-million dollars in money laundering around the world, not paying taxes on any of it, this isn't about whether you used your turn signal properly or...

The prosecutor even admitted a i never belonged to any porn site, any cat rooms. was not on the dark web and also they have proof. it was all believed of course. i shared my electronics and i could not prove that showed four months of porn possession from 2004, i was sentenced to 60 years. not proper, appropriate. going down a few lines. what i did in state cases was medical, not sexual. but because of the porn, i lost all support thus another reason

Not when you examine them closely is not the point. it's all about distracting and raising some doubt in the public mind. he's very good at this. we should not under estimate the effect of this. you remember there was lying ted and then there was lying hillary and he wrote those messages right into the white house. so in this case i think there's a political agenda at work. i don't see how it helps him legally, but where the public is concerned, it's probably an effective strategy. >> paul, what is the range of information we might actually get from this indictment? is it just going to be a na...

Pending against him that he'll have to deal with one day and many of these are brought in state court because these are state cases and misconduct subject to state law in different states, california, new york, i believe this one was filed in new york. >> it was. >> nonetheless, if the court allows this to proceed during trump's presidency, then that's a huge precedent. for the other 74 lawsuits or however many there are and future presidents who may be subject to lawsuits for misconduct. >> for the private -- >> news just in that the board of producers guild has just voted to expel harvey wei...

And if they come to the same conclusion then i think that may very well put an end to the overall question. but that said it is more difficult to bring federal criminal charges than it is state cases and at the end of the day we're still left with the same investigative report and same evidence that was obtained by the cuyahoga county sheriff's office, an independent agency, that did this investigation. >> rashad, final word. >> moving forward we have to do more work politically. we've got hold prosecutors accountability. we've got to build the type of movement that holds prosecutors accountab...