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He was trying to do on a call with raffensperger, all of that gets a lot harder for them to hide behind. joining us now are former u.s. attorneys, barbara mcquade and harry litman. barbara and harry of course msnbc legal analysts. thank you for being here. harry, let me first start with your reaction to the subpoenas that we are finding out about in fulton county and how meaningful you think they are in the building of a larger case against trump vis-à-vis his efforts to steal the election. >> so i think they're very meaningful but for exactly the reason you said, that is they show that when ...

Outcome of some of those charges will be? correct me if i'm wrong these icc charges, putin, for example, can't be tried in absentia, correct? >> that's absolutely right, erica. of course, we know that international justice always has to play the long game. many times we found ourselves in this situation before with respect to milosevic, with respect to charles taylor, we've had to wait a long time to get our defendants in the dock. that said, as a permanent court the international criminal court can wait. there is no statute of limitations and it makes it much more difficult both for president...

Going impress us you thought about how boris. your economic or. your woman or. the treaty allows an investor to bring a claim against the state either on the claimant's own behalf. for its own injuries for state conduct or it may bring a claim on behalf of an enterprise that it owns and controls for loss or damage that the enterprise has suffered. free trade treaties have this clause a state investor clause which allow companies corporations to sue local community is government groups states nations if they feel that their profits are being undermined in any way past present or future profits....

States' marriages, but you actually don't have to yourself in your state conduct them but that's not what they did. 50 states all square. >> yeah. well, i think, you know as you mentioned there were four dissents. it's very unusual to have four judges in dissent, each issuing their own dissents and particularly joining each other's dissents. it's like they each wanted their own voice on the record about why they were upset about the decision. but i thought the roberts dissent was very interesting in that in many ways it was similar to his majority opinion in the health care decision yesterday,...