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And prisons are there based on state convictions. less than 10% of the prison population in this country is there as a result of a federal conviction. so the president and even the congress no matter what kind of refoirmds they implement will only have a small impact on what's happening nationwide. >> your work has taken on a new direction or another layer i should say, as you continue to e ploer the history of racial inequality and economic injustice with your legacy museum to enslavement and mass incarceration in alabama. >> i hope we can create a narrative of truth and justice. we are burd ...

Word stonewalli ining by the administration, is remarkable. >> our last 30 seconds or so, berit, we saw after paul manafort was sentenced in the federal case, new york prosecutors came forward with charges against him. the big deal here is state convictions can't be pardoned by the president. how long might we see this drag on? >> this case is not going to play out that quickly for the sole reason that there are really complicated double jeopardy issues that are going to have to be litigated here. i don't know that any of these issues are a slam dunk one way or the other. they'll have to be ge...

Kplit fraud? are you guilty and what punishments should be out. it would run on not con current meaning with federal charges. come to new york and deal with the state charges and that's on top of that. he will never see the light of day again. >> and if he is convicted in new york state in these allegations there's no presidential pardon that will get him out of jail as far as state convictions are concerned. stay with us. we'll be right back. moving? that's harder now because of psoriatic arthritis. but you're still moved by moments like this. don't let psoriatic arthritis take them away. tal...

>> let me ask you this, renato. his team is arguing that manafort would not have been prosecuted harshly had it not been for rod rosenstein appointing robert mueller. are you seeing any remorse from manafort? >> no. i mean what i see is a guy who knows he's going to get ten years from judge jackson no matter what. that's pretty much a guarantee at this point. that's the maximum sentence she can give. you know, judge ellis is going to give whatever he's going to give. you know, he did seem to buy into some of the rhetoric earlier. but, you know, i don't know. manafort's looking at a heavy sente...

The whole dissenting memo seemed like a desperate plea for a pardon. >> let me ask you this, renato. his team is arguing that manafort would not have been prosecuted harshly had it not been for rod rosenstein appointing robert mueller. are you seeing any remorse from manafort? >> no. i mean what i see is a guy who knows he's going to get ten years from judge jackson no matter what. that's pretty much a guarantee at this point. that's the maximum sentence she can give. you know, judge ellis is going to give whatever he's going to give. you know, he did seem to buy into some of the rhetoric earl...