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Florida panhandle yesterday, a battleground state not for nothing, with this politically craven president. and donald trump had kanye west in the oval office yesterday. where are we? >> we're in a place where the president doesn't need to feel he has any empathy for people who are suffering or any sense of responsibility to get them out of their predicament. yes, it is symbolic, but symbols have meaning. for a president to have a political rally while those people are suffering down in the track of hurricane michael and for the president to have that meeting with kanye for reasons that are god...

>> thank you. well, i guess a lot of people are going over to the investment conference. >> joining us now michael iskov, and evelyn farkas, former deputy assistant secretary of defense and msnbc analyst. evelyn, there are plenty of harrowing things that happen in state craft, but it seems to make it an extraordinary breach. what presidents or historical context do you think of when you look at this, and what more, afghanistan, should the united states do? >> i mean, ari, it's shocking. first of all, i'm appalled at the fact our administration is behaving as if they don't know anything, becaus...

Obliteration of norms. they're usually headline, people handing us papers. the development of the mueller investigation. the outrageous statement of a country. and talk about the obliteration of norms. they were people, they were still looking for survivors and rescue missions under way in the florida panhandle yesterday, a battleground state with this politically craven president and donald trump had kanye west in the oval office yesterday. where are we? >> we are in a place where the president doesn't feel he needs to show that he has any empathy for people who are suffering or any sense of ...

Out there. >> yeah, this certainly hurts iranian diplomacy because the iranian state has just tried to show how strong it is and that is really been state craft for them, you know, but, of course, we have seen the protests on iranian citizens, two large terrorists attacks in two years. leland: how does the u.s. capitalize on this, how does israel capitalize on this? >> i don't know that we are going to change policies in order to do that but what we will do continue to insist to our european allies that they adhere to our sanctions and that we try to get, you know, a lot of progress on making ...

>> what's interesting also is it's clear that at least some folks in the intel community still don't know what trump said behind the scenes with putin, let alone what he did or didn't do in front of the cameras. >> right. this is the perfect example of the way trump perceives how state craft is done. it's don betwee between two lea. all the stuff the state department or foreign ministry have done beforehand, all of the history that backs up all this, that's less important to the president than what happens in a room one on one. but of course, that's why we have this daylight here. that's why w...