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What the doj did today, they were made to do today. it wasn't because it was what they wanted to do. they were made to do their jobs today. >> they were made to do it today. this is the important part. joining us now is paul butler, georgetown law school professor, former pro federal prosecutor, nbc legal analyst. mr. butler, it's good to see tonight. ahmaud arbery's mother makes an interesting case. that this -- the department of justice, the federal government, doesn't puffed and pursue these cases. it's one of the first time that this has successfully been prosecuted according to ben crump ...

Georgetown law professor, msnbc analyst, mr. butler, it's good to see you tonight. ahmaud arbery's mother makes an interesting case that the department of justice, the federal government, doesn't often pursue these cases. in fact, it's the first time one of these has been successfully prosecuted according to ben crump in the state of georgia ever. why is that? >> so, ali, this prosecution was symbolic in part because the three defendants had already been sentence to life in prison in the state murder case. the federal convictions are insurance in the unlikely event that the state convictions a...

He's been charged with 29 federal counts. i would love your thoughts on this as we wrap up this very busy news hour. >> dana, i really don't think it's a federal case. they're obviously determined to follow through with that. i was surprised to see the justice department jump in as aggressively as they did. i thought they ought the let the state authorities go first. >> dana: can you explain that to me? i read your piece. maybe you could explain to people why you think the state of pennsylvania should have handled it. >> first of all, it's a straight forward state murder case. it's much easier...

Murders. so the civil rights division at the doj, milissa, and the u.s. attorney, they have a good case, a real solid hate crime case. and the pittsburgh police, they have a real solid state murder case. so the d.a. there, the u.s. attorney, i mean, i don't think there's any real mystery here. just sadness and heartiache anda process of justice that we're going to go through. >> given what you've said and what we know so far about his social media activity, is this type of attack more preventable in the future because of that? is that something that we could look out for? >> well, i mean, it's...

Triggerman and as long as he wasn't the master schemer then she was willing for us to go ahead and make deals with him and skyers so that we could convict the others. >> the indictment charged melvin walker and david ramsey with murder. walker for shooting brown and ramsey, who also worked at ex-sheriff dorsey's private security firm, for being the armed lookout ready to kill anyone who intervened. >> walker was the triggerman. and skyers got rid of the gun. and cuffy drove the getaway car. >> cuffy's plea changed everything. >> i will accept your plea of guilty as to counts 12, 13 and 14. >> ...