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Is a smaller state, more isolated state. the model for this bank came out a populous frustration that out of state powers really had all the folks in north dakota kind of over a barrel. can weç really expect somethin like this to get traction more broadly or do you think it's anomalous? what's the right way to think about it? >> i think that i would see this as the van guard of a bigger movement. what we still have in this country that we are very fortunate to have is a vibrant ecosystem of local banks, community banks and credit unions. there are 8,000 credit unions in this country. and i t...

Exactly what arizona is mandating so as ken has pointed out, this is nothing different. this has been long standing. what's different is obama administration's dramatic stretch, overstretch and use of the constitution that attacks state sovereignty and individual liberty. >> all right. bill, i'll give you the final word on this. >> well, the final word is this. i joined general cox. i joined him in that -- i support the arizona immigration law and i really think it's sort of like if you've got somebody who is -- let's say he's a postman and he's on postal property and a police officer, local c...

Government sanctioned insurance policy. the states say this is unconstitutional. what's their argument? >> the argument is that this kind of a mandate that's not tied to any economic activity, but imposed on people merely because they exist, exceed the reach of the commerce clause of the constitution. a broader proposition, it would violate a key element of our constitutional architecture, namely that the federal government is the government of limited enumerated powers that states retain substantial authority and that there's dual sovereignty system a key way of protecting individual liberty....

The states say this is unconstitutional. what's their argument? >> the argument is that this kind of a mandate that is not tied to any economic activity but imposed on people because they exist exceeds the reach of the commerce clause of the constitution broader proposition is that it would violate key element of our constitution architecture namely the federal government is the government of limited powers that states retain substantial authority and that this sovereignty system is the key way of protecting individual liberty. >> infringes fundamentally on state powers. a lot of people would ...

Government sanctioned insurance policy. the states say this is unconstitutional. what's their argument? >> the argument is that this kind of a mandate that's not tied to any economic activity, but imposed on people merely because they exist, exceed the reach of the commerce clause of the constitution. a broader proposition, it would violate a key element of our constitutional architecture, namely that the federal government is the government of limited enumerated powers that states retain substantial authority and that there's dual sovereignty system a key way of protecting individual liberty....