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Would get a veto. so stop that and fix this? a. no for obama or the republicans but for the american people. >> what do you think your members are going to do when the employer mandate kicks in and they have to decide what to do if with their workers and retirees, like ibm and others, moving retirees to some sort of strange private or otherwise but that's a preview to coming attractions. do you agree with that? >> well, you know, for years and years we have said that companies want to have positive health care because it's a good plan for recruitment and retention of members, or of workers, an...

Grownup. i this i in this case, these weighing the political can you lus just going further to the right as he did on immigration where he put a book out saying that we should have immigration reform then as soon as it was out he was already backtracking. i think in shins it was purely a political move. >> i think with jeb he is breaking with the party on certain issues, he is for the core curriculum for education. some thits an evil plot to take over the state systems. he has been all over if map on immigration. lately, he is sort of in a reformist direction on it. so i think when you break w...

What do you make of that statement that they think it's going to get worse before it gets better? >> the statement is very true, martha. because what oracle and google and this tech surge have been called in to fix is only going to be the user experience in terms of helping them log in. but once you lock in, there's got to be integration between cgi, the company building the web site, the data hub, between federal and state systems to check eligibility information, and then the web sites, the insurance plans where you actually start to be able to spot shop. and none of these systems today were...

L.a., russell, thank you for being with us. a billion dollars and this is what we got. based on what you saw, do you even think they tested it? >> so good evening, thank you for having me. they obviously didn't test until the last few days. this is what we do at media temple. we have hundreds of thousands of customers with millions of websites, but i do want to point out one thing. everyone's saying this is a website issue, you made a great point, even your mother can set up a website. it's not too complex to set up a website. this is not just a website, this is, with all due respect, this is ...

L.a., russell, thank you for being with us. a billion dollars and this is what we got. based on what you saw, do you even think they tested it? >> so good evening, thank you for having me. they obviously didn't test until the last few days. this is what we do at media temple. we have hundreds of thousands of customers with millions of websites, but i do want to point out one thing. everyone's saying this is a website issue, you made a great point, even your mother can set up a website. it's not too complex to set up a website. this is not just a website, this is, with all due respect, this is ...