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Muddy and there's a lot of noise. it's hard to tell from a layman's standpoint who's playing politics here. seems like everybody is playing politics. >> i would resist -- no, i have to push back hard on that, katy. look, devin nunes has already displayed his a partisan. he was removed from leading the investigation because of his shenanigans at the white house. the difference is adam schiff is deeply respected. he's read the underlying documents. if they would agree to release the memoranda, this would be very clear. anyone who's paying attention, this is about undermining an ongoing investiga...

Before the committee in december 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the fisa court without the steele dossier information. that last bit about m here in t. but the portion about james comey and what he testified, that the memo was salacious and unverified, that is misleading. james comey in his testimony in front of congress did not say that the entire steele dossier was salacious and unverified. he was saying a portion of it was salacious and unverified. this is chairman bur asking the question of james comey. and the public domain is this question of the steele dos...

Document, that is sort of a ceremonial aspect. a document. it's just a staff-written memo. perhaps written with the help of the white house. if you look at the pattern of mr. nunes, his midnight ride down to the eisenhower building and going back the next morning and delivering the materials he was given there, then you look at this document, and you look at the way it was written, it's almost like an indictment of comey, mccabe and rosenstein. >> with dana boente thrown in. and sally yates. >> clearly the targets are there. the next bull's eye is of course, mr. rosenstein. i also thought the ...

Doj and fbi must keep doing their jobs. we have got the best folks in the business to break this down. joining me now is the host of msnbc's "hardball," chris matthews. let's start with you. we had awe moment ago talking about the politics of this. when you take that excerpt i just read and you look at the names in that paragraph of the memo, everybody has been either fired or removed from their posts. the only person that is left is deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, the man that is overseeing the mueller investigation. it does have the aspect of a death certificate here. clearly the who...

Providence of this document is. it could well have been written by white house staff people in the way nunes played that game as an operative last year getting a document from the executive office, coming back the next morning and delivering it to the west wing as if he had something from outside when he was just playing the role for the trump people. this way the president gets to keep his fingerprints off it saying this is a congressional d. so when he fires rosenstein he'll see i'm doing what i had to do in reaction to the news from the hill, which looks to me like theater. the fact that th...