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Was the goal met? >> i think the goal is what it often is with president trump, which is to stir up and frankly inflame the troops, the rank and file of the republican party, his base, to be behind him, and frankly, the kind of the release the memo narrative that's been going on for days, i think was more the goal than the sense that the memo would have any kind of smoking gun that would get president trump out of the cross hairs of robert mueller. but it's a very strange situation, fred. in america, a person isn't usually allowed to help kind of, let's say, manufacture a memo to sort of get h...

>> to the best of my recollection, i don't know carter page. to the best of my knowledge, carter page never had a donald trump.e-mail address, had no former role in the campaign that i'm aware of. >> i don't think i have ever spoken to him. i don't think i have ever met him. >> all right, so now, david, carter page is so important. he's the nucleus of why this memo had to be released. the memo, you know, is very critical of the fisa application process on carter page, this former adviser. so david, what's really going on here? >> so, i think carter page is significant but not as significant...

justice and the fbi. >> all right, so tom, as a former fbi assistant director, what does this do in your view to your former colleagues and still, you know, many of your friends who remain in the fbi, to hear this kind of messaging coming from the vice president, the president, this entire process? >> well, first of all, fredricka, how they investigate or how diligently they work and all of the cases that they're assigned, will not change. they'll keep doing that whether they're happy about what's being put out in the media or put out by the president or anyone else, is irrelevant to what t...

the president can certainly say that, but what they're using this for is basically to strengthen their argument, their case that the president should say little to nothing to robert mueller and his team because this is, again, a witch hunt. he's vindicated. >> maybe so much for the 100%. you know, he wants to testify, but now, this memo may justify in his view why he doesn't need to be questioned by mueller. oh, my gosh. okay, we're going to keep watching this. so fascinating to talk to all of you. we'll talk more, because it is very complicated but so vital and important. all right, still...

2016. that would be a secret. it would go on for the first 90 days. that would be a secret. so in no way would that be designed to influence. >> too close to election day to do any influencing. which leaves the big question for a lot of people, which was what was the whole goal and what was really done? and why is it that now the president feels like this was vindication? >> and fredricka, the president sort of answered that question. he said in telephone calls that cnn is reporting, to his friends that he was going to release the memo to interfere with the mueller investigation. those are ...