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>> victor, who requested we only use his first name for security reasons, once a lieutenant in the mexican mafia. he defected, while serving a prior 23-year prison sentence for kidnapping and aggravated assault. victor was back in the bexar county jail on a parole violation. >> when a mafia member decides to defect after members of the mafia place a green light on that ex-member, there's a light on you, they will always beat you until you are no longer alive. so if they beat you one day, you happen to survive this assault, three weeks later you're walking down the street and see you, they're g...

Of these plots could be -- could be starved out? >> well, the new paradigm especially with home grown terrorism is that you don't necessarily need a lot of financial assistance or a lot of training. the thought is that these guys will go on the internet. they'll get some inspiration. they'll become radicalized and then they're told, do what you can do. if you can make a bomb with components you can acquire locally, great. if you go out and get a gun or hit on soft targets, for example, shopping malls or mass gatherings like the portland christmas tree plot. so they don't -- you don't need nece...