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Trump, and then at the same time, you were recording him because you wanted to protect yourself. why didn't you just not do those things? >> so i'm going to do something in a very sober -- i've smiled a bit and laughed at mr. giuliani because it's laughable that he's trying to twist what's on the tape. he can't do that. but let me be very serious with you about michael cohen. it took me a while to decide to represent him. it took me a while after he spoke to mr. stephanopoulos on the air to see that his positions are diametrically opposite from mr. trump. he was diametrically opposite in telli...

Trump has done things or not, we'll see. but i think the fact that out of all of the people that he could have reached out to, reaching out to me in and of itself was sending a signal to president trump. and probably the prosecutors that he was not one that would not deal with someone who has been fighting donald trump for decades on social justice issues. >> so what does this do? i'm trying to get a sense of this. we have everybody that knows you knows where you stand on political issues and where you are. and that's generally not in the same place that donald trump is. but michael cohen reac...

>> this is kavanaugh 2009 from the minnesota law review. provide sitting presidents with a temporary deferral of civil suits, of prosecutions, and investigations. dana, weigh in. how much of a factor was this, do you believe? >> i mean, we won't know until we hear from the president himself or we have a chance to do some reporting on this particular issue. knowing the president and his focus on this, it's hard to imagine it wasn't a factor. gloria mentioned this is not academic. this is not, welt, what if there's ever a situation where a president could potentially be indicted and the supreme ...

Lawyer, guy petrillo, has even talk about talked to the prosecutors. i think what we have going on here is sort of a battle for the hearts and minds, but we really don't know what's going on in the southern district of new york at this particular moment. >> here's what his source says. the message is that cohen feels it's time to tell his version of the truth. cohen's version of the truth is not giuliani's version or trump's version, which is the opposite of the truth. dana, this one is for you. friends say that the most important thing said in the stephanopoulos interview is cohen feels he th...

Has, if anything, on the president of the united states. >> he hasn't been charged. >> he hasn't been charged. we don't know if the prosecutors are interested in what he may or may not have or whether his lawyer, guy petrillo, has even talk about talked to the prosecutors. i think what we have going on here is sort of a battle for the hearts and minds, but we really don't know what's going on in the southern district of new york at this particular moment. >> here's what his source says. the message is that cohen feels it's time to tell his version of the truth. cohen's version of the truth is ...