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Your portfolio to ensure you've got some exposure to these bric countries. what we'll do in coming weeks is we'll discuss the specifics of these countries. what's good or bad about them and how to take that and carry it forward. thanks to both of you, richard quest and stephen leeb. well, there's been a big change in the friendly skies and on the ground as well. why getting from point a topoint b might be taking less time.

Say a trillion dollars a year, our debt will get to the point where long-term interest rates will rise. instead of treasury securities paying 4%, they'll pay 7%. now, if you buy a treasury security today at 4% and five years from now they're selling at 7%, the security you brought today at 4% is going to be worth a lot less. and you really can't hedge against that with any kind of paper asset the u.s. government issues. the alternative is gold. so people are starting to put a larger share of their portfolio in gold. and as you outlined earlier, it's getting easier to buy gold. we have these ex...

I mean they're incredibly well run. barrick gets stars because they eliminated all their hedges, christine. they really bit the bullet when gold was much lower. they say we want to be a pure gold play. silver wheaton i think is probably the best way of playing silver. and novagold, for those of you who have a big stomach and can, you know, tolerate a lot of volatility, a lot of speculation. i mean that's one that could go up several fold. >> all right. gentlemen, thank you so much. and we mentioned exchange-traded funds. i always like to say what that is. these are -- they're not mutual funds....

Today. >> wow. okay, what about you, frank? >> i think stephen has very great advice, short term it's easy for gold to have a correction. but long term, over the next five years, if it grows at 15% a year, it will double. and if it gets to $2,600 an ounce, that will basically be that inflation-adjusted price of 1980. so, i don't think that that's, you know, a spectacular high-risk move. >> now, here's the thing. what's happening? i guess for anybody who's about to do this, buy or sell or thinking about gold, stephen, what do i have to think of in terms of the entire world and why gold is doing...

Again in the 2000s. now, with this trillion dolores cue package that's meant to save greece and europe from that debt crisis, more people are running out of the euro and they're getting into gold. i've got two good friends with me here to talk about this. these two guys know a lot about gold. on the left is stephen leeb, he is an author. he's an expert on these things. he manages money. on the right, u.s. funds.com frank holmes also knows a great deal about gold. these two guys are here to tell us, number one, i'm going to start with you, stephen, number one, is this a time to be buying gold o...