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Is for those remaining nine weeks and really hit it hard. >> if i could just insert this. i think what stephen's looking to do is wake their candidate up. so by labor day, he's back driving the car. am i right? >> let me just say one thing. >> stephen's point is exactly right. what governor romney has to do is spell out what he would do differently. that's very, very important. it's not good enough to say the other guy's no good. people want to hear what he wants to do. >> that's true. now, he has a 57-point economic plan. you've run many campaigns, governor. you know this. you don't want a 57...

Can't coast in saying obama that's another good jobs vote for me. he's got to do more. what i would really start doing more is after the democratic convention. i'd come out with guns blazing the remaining nine weeks and really hit it hard. >> i think what stephen's looking to do, meaning the board, the journalists, is wake their candidate up so that by labor day, he's back driving the car. am i right? >> let me just say one thing. >> stephen's point is exactly right. what governor romney has to do is spell out what he would do differently. that's very, very important. it's not good enough to s...

Or kept on by virt of how it is we perform. why can't we do it in the world of teachers. i understand why we didn't set it up that way. why can't we evolve into that? >> let me answer stephen's point initially. which is that many, there's about 30 states that allow collective bargaining for the public service. the other states that don't have just as bad, if not worse budget deficits. in terms of compensation, if you just look at pensions and benefits, you're not looking at total compensation. look what christine just said. the average pension in wisconsin for public worker is $26,000. and ult...

Why can't we do that in the world of teachers? i understand why we didn't set it up that way, and it was useful to not do that. why can't we evolve into that? >> let me just answer stephen's point initially. >> sure. >> which is that there's about 30 states that allow collective bargaining for the public service. the other states that don't have just as bad, if not worse, budget deficits. in terms of compensation, if it you just look at pensions and benefits, you're not looking at total compensation. look what christine just said. the average pension in wisconsin for a public worker is $26,000...

It didn't work very well then, i don't think it's going to work now. i would like to see, by the way, one of the things i think the president could do to really help small business expansion is just say, we're going to keep those bush tax cuts in 2011 in effect because small businesses are the ones that are impacted most by those tax cuts. >> to stephen's point, do you think there's been a sift with this administration? because guys like stephen have been saying for some time, when you're looking to create jobs and get this economy going, you have to take some focus on taking the burden off of...