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Essential, fantastic piece of evidence, and i would build my case around that tape. the fact that he says they always get away with this. it shows that he is per suing. he is told to stop following. this is a very, very important piece of evidence they would build my whole case around, and if charngs were brought, you can bet that tape will be played over and over by myself in front of a jury. >> eugene, right on this show, the mother of a witness said the lead investigator told her he didn't think it was self-defense and the stereo typing was at play. >> the lead investigator from the sanford...

You tell me whether this will have an impact on the justice department looking into it. this is the mother of the 13-year-old witness on this show. >> now as the investigators communicated with you arranging and talking to you around the interview of your son, did they tell you whether they felt this was self-defense or not? >> the lead investigator from the sanford police department stood in my family room and told me this was absolutely not self-defense and they needed to prove it. he told me, and i'm paraphrasing the quote, but read between the lines. there are some stereo typing going on h...

To grind with anybody that he did not believe it was self-defense and in fact raised the point of stereo typing which i said to her i would say is profiling. >> absolutely. that is a damning piece of testimonial evidence for a witness to come forward and say the homicide detective at the scene made those comments to her about the fact that self-defense was not an issue in his mind and clearly indicating that he had probable cause to make an arrest. that's what's so frustrating. only people want in this instance is for justice to be done. no one is talking about convictions. we are talking abou...

They took him into custody based on all the evidence they had at the scene. to have somebody -- and i'm speculating here, but to have a police chief or even the state attorney step in and take away the discretion of the officers at the scene and say, release this man, that is very, very unusual. i'm very happy to here the justice department is looking into this to find out what happened because something isn't just. >> joy, when you hear all of this, the mother of the young 13-year-old witness and i had her on the show. she said the lead investigator said to her that he thought it was not self...

>> john, is this not a horrendous example of why vigilante justice is a bad idea and when coupled with racial profiling, racial stereo typing, it's a horrific mixture. >> this is a tragedy on so, so many levels. when you listen to the zimmerman 911 call and the officer, you can hear him get out of his truck or his car and the police officer tells him we don't need you to do that and yet he goes forward. not only he chases down trayvon martin, but he's bringing a 9 millimeter handgun to whatever confrontation there is. one chilling thing in the interview that his mother gave to matt this mornin...