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About what he should do because initially, he sat. and then he moved to kneeling. >> sandra: that was when he had the pigs on his socks. >> jessica: he is an imperfect messenger to be sure. i just want to clarify this is not does start out as i did not like the flag, i don't like the national anthem. but i find interesting jerry jones is a hero for this. the nfl left people who are domestic abusers play. steroid users. accused murderers, accused. and this is the most offensive thing that happens that they take any? why don't we go after all of them? >> trish: have said is roger goodell's fault...

The conversation here will run the gamut from baseball to politics to global politics. let's start with baseball. sham we mike barnacle. you participated in this blue ribbon commission in 2000. dealing with scandals that were plaguing baseball. what's the state of baseball today? has the game cleaned up? has it moved in a positive direction? >> very much so. professional baseball has the strongest anti-drug program of any professional sport. commissioner selig was the only commissioner to authorize a completely independent and thorough study, analysis and report on the use of performance-enhan...

Have a hard time balancing like. like do i want to be sent home, i do want to miss out on what could be the greatest opportunity of my life in sport by risking something that i believe in. unfortunately not very many people will do that. >> let's move on. earlier this week, bobby cox, tony la russa and joe torre were unanimously elected to the hall of fame. guys, we are talking about three manager whose all had high-profile steroid users on their teams. and those guys, guys like mark mcgwire and roger clemens had great numbers but being kept out of the hall of fame because people say those num...

>> now, the fall from grace for cyclist lance armstrong after he denied using drugs and ruthlessly challenging those who claimed he did. he came clean during an interview with oprah winfrey thursday night on her network. she was asked about her sit-down earlier today. >> i would say he did not come clean in the manner that i expected. it was surprising to me. i would say that for myself, my team, all of us in the room, we were mesmerized and riveted by some of his answers. >> sean: armstrong's mea culpa less than a week after accused steroid users were denied entry into the hall of fame includ...

Understand his exclusion. people say steroid users are bad guys. ty cobb wasn't a great guy, he was known to be a bigot and a racist and yet he's in the hall of fame. babe ruth didn't play against the negro league. you can argue his performance was enhanced as well because he didn't play against the best competition. >> jackie robinson, joe di maggio, they were stars in this sport. >> players have very strong opinions saying anyone who cheated should not be inducted. they should be able to say how should you in some way look at all this. what perspective should you use, it's been up to the wri...