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I assume, a lot of them have those stinger shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, which would -- very mobile and they could take down a plane. they could get lucky and do it. chris, thanks very much. chris is going to stay with us. jon, this is a war, for all practical purposes. it was a civil war. but now it's expanded. >> and we have called it a no-fly zone that the united nations resolution established. but essentially, the u.n. wrote a blank check for everything short of an army of occupation. so in many ways, the no-fly zone is the first step and this is the first day. but there could be ...

Other nations saw with -- when we went into desert storm 20 years ago, people tried to do things to protect their air defense systems because they know that's the first target. my guess in this case is we were pretty effective. >> how vulnerable is the libyan air force? right now, their mirages, mig fighters on the ground in bases at hangars, if the u.s. wanted to destroy those planes on the ground, could it? >> probably could destroy most of they will on the ground. may be some hardened shelters. that was doctrine. some of it's been done in eastern europe and elsewhere. but most of those are ...