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To start. you were a person who does know how to start. explain to me that talent. you seem -- i'm serious. you seem to be able to find your way towards people like that and get them to trust you. >> well, first, let me clear up a small misconception that's been reported is that the things that i've done in terms of national security in terms of my assistance to the government on financial crimes, whether it was mafia or whether it was financial assaults on our financial institutions by cyber criminals, or terrorists such as osama bin laden, what's most important and which has not been reporte...

Working for u.s. intelligence way before the stock case came around. so nobody came to me and said go do this for us and then you'll get out of this. >> what kind of person does that? how are you finding your way into these seamy underworlds to get information the u.s. government can find useful. >> let me tell you the story how that happened. after i got out of clearly the shady side of wall street for about a year, i was working on very legitimate financial transactions. and i think anybody who researches me could see that i stopped in 1996 voluntarily just left because truthfully, i didn't ...