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Some ways an would get off the set and say she need to sta tak shower. and she had trump was her client. we show our viewers most of what they already know because our viewers are really smart, that she is part of something here that might be a serious strain of this presidency that could end unfortunate hurting our republic if washington doesn't do its job. fair to say? >> yes. that is was i was going to address on meacham's point of the historical nature of this. jon, i think it was richard talked about the paranoid style in american politics and this goes way back, which is stoking up consp...

Optimism. some ways they're very warranted. even though he was the first african-american president, with saw this movement calling to question race in this country under his presidency. >> you know, roosevelt, the famous line of all-time, in his inaugural address. trump's not going to match it. he's probably not going to match kennedy's, you know, "ask not." he did say "we have nothing to fear but fear itself" a national condition, brought on by a frightening set of economic events, 27% people were out of work. trump is what the people fear. not nothing to fear but fear, they fear trump. >> w...

For bastille day. was that always on the radar or something new to the public? >> no, as far as the nypd in new york city, that has been on the radar. if you look at the pattern of the parade, you see a lot of concrete blocks. you see a lot of frozen zones where vehicles are not supposed to be. if they are, they get towed. and now this year, you're going to see a lot more blocking cars and the zone, the frozen zone, is going to be larger in order to avoid a potential stray truck that may be planning an attack. >> how do you balance the security with people having access and wanting to have fun...

Energizing them. >> well, what would donald trump need to do to satisfy you and your organization and convince americans that he's not a racist and rejects this movement of white nationalism? >> well, first, i think he needs to speak out a whole lot more forcefully and talk about it in a series of speeches, rejecting bigotry and all of its forms. then his walk has to mimic his talk. you know, he can't, you know, bring in people like steve bannon into the white house and at the same time he wants to heal the wounds of division. those two things are just contradictory. >> well, he said that -- i...

By reporters and whether or not it's something he truly believes, that's something that we don't know. but i don't -- i suspect that our next secretary of defense will be on record being opposed to this practice. >> well, donald trump brought it up repeatedly on the campaign trail, saying he did believe in waterboarding, saying he believed it worked and saying that he would do that and worse. >> reporter: yeah, it's clear that donald trump thought that that spoke to a certain public and a certain section of the american public that wanted to get tougher on terrorism. what you may see to counte...