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And the account is accurate. this is really what went on. this is what the interaction really looked like, and dowd now trying to walk away from it, this actually brings mueller to life for us. but this was a really important time in march between the special counsel's office and the president's lawyers. they really realized at that point the full extent of the questions that the -- that mueller wanted to ask the president about. and dowd was trying to do everything he could to stop mueller, and as we see in this anecdote, it was confusing. >> joyce, we also have seen that the special counsel'...

Outside of the completed investigation, and i put emphasis on the word completed, because a day does not go by when my constituents don't ask me whether donald trump is going to stop mueller's work, fire mueller, stop that from happening. the president needs, if he believes he's going to be cleared, that investigation to finish sxshs certainly the american people need that to be finished. and congress shouldn't start throwing around the concept of impeachment until we have all the facts. >> what are the chances, congressman, that republicans, the majority members of your committee, the house i...

And out of the three courts of appeals that looked at that, only one has upheld attorney-client privilege for a government lawyer. so they may have been thinking that well, what's the point of fighting this, we're probably going to lose. but whenever you waive the privilege it's a dangerous thing. i would not have so cavalierly waived it. >> i do think it's interesting on the attorney-client privilege, it talks about how their follow-up report which was that the president's lawyers never fully asked mcgahn to detail all of the things he testified about and those 30 hours to mueller. they actua...

Saying this was evidence of obstruction? >> this is all about obstruction of justice. the president's lawyers saying his tweets may got himself into a little bit of illegal issue here. he's not saying much. he's not giving a direct order which means he's not obstructing justice. we all have to remember that robert mueller is looking at obstruction of justice as apart of this investigation of this cloud that's hanging over the white house today and duration of this president's presidency. people are very nervous. president trump likes people that could adjust quickly. okay, if this is what we a...

Obviously there's not a cloer and easy path to that. >> right and the president hasn't shown us a clear and easy path. he has muddied the waters with his rhetoric, which don't match his actions and what we hear from his administration. so i don't think we have an answer. quite frankly, we do not have an answer. the last thing we heard from the doj was they were going to stay in deteng if they could keep them until everything was processed with their parents and their parents were deported back an they would be connected back up again. clearly not a good situation. >> easier said than done. the...