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He remains comfortable of a messaging battle when he's accused of obstruction and abuse of power. that's why, to what jeff said earlier, it's an interesting shift from pelosi to make this not about trump and democrats, this is about trump and the constitution. >> and i just want to come back again. you hear the speaker talking about ambassador. if you're not following this closely, the white house deciding this morning not to let the president's ambassadors testify. he was part of these text exchanges. bill taylor, career diplomat. are we not saying white house meetings are conditioned upon in...

President's political rival. what should i tell them? well, the trump appointee comes back five hours later with this like hilarious lawyered press release cover story in a text which is the same cover story they're going to use later on when all becomes public. i believe you're incorrect about president trump's intentions. the president has been crystal clear, no quid pro quo's of any kind. the president is trying to evaluate whether ukraine is truly going to adopt the reforms and this is text. and then here it comes again. here it comes again. i suggest we stop the back and forth by text. i ...

In his office to enrich or advance his own interests rather than those of the country. it's going to be harder to do that without a specific crime to point to. they of course do not need a specific crime to impeach him but to make that case in a convincing way for the american people, they're going to need to lay out the facts and they have plenty to work with. >> if you're working this case and do you believe you see a quid pro quo in there? >> as an investigator, if i had these facts to work with, i'd feel very, very confident when i walk into my u.s. attorney's office and say look what we g...

Let's stop texting. >> i hear you. i think i have a defense. i'll try it out on you, jim. this isn't a fair court. you guys are coming at me in the same way. jim, here's my defense. rudy told me these guys did my dirty in 2016, that they were bad people there, they were part of the setup on me. i know it's bad and i trust rudy and he tells me biden was playing these games he got away with, his kid got this crazy payoff and now you want me to give all this to ukraine and treat them they're my buddy, i'm not treating them like they're my buddy until they show me they've cleaned up their act. tha...

Well, the trump appointee comes back five hours later with this like hilarious lawyered press release cover story in a text which is the same cover story they're going to use later on when all becomes public. i believe you're incorrect about president trump's intentions. the president has been crystal clear, no quid pro quo's of any kind. the president is starting to evaluate whether ukraine is truly going to adopt the reforms and this is text. and then here it comes again. here it comes again. i suggest we stop the back and forth by text. i bet you do. probably should stop texting that. no qu...