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Everybody knows this. this is one of these things in the law that's just well understood. look, every witness on the record, every witness testified that president trump was concerned about corruption with foreign governments. that includes ukraine. and the white house released a transcript of the remarks between president trump and president zelensky before the bilateral meeting in new york, september 25th. this is after the funds released, of course. he's explaining that he became convinced that the new ukrainian administration was concerned about reform measures. president trump says i'm he...

Was anything but perfect. that was your witness, who said it was anything but perfect. i want to see a show of hands on your side. does anyone agree with the one witness you were able to bring that that call was anything but perfect? that is sad. and you will regret that you have sanctioned this. i yield back. >> the gentleman -- >> mr. chairman? >> this is mr. cicciline's time. >> i yield back. >> gentleman is recognized. >> i want to speak in favor of the biggs amendment. i want to refute what mr. ciccilline has said and others here that there was no evidence that the president was concerned...

He was really going to follow through. so, they're saying that the person before this president, before president zelensky, the previous president of ukraine, was a corrupt individual. they said that through their remarks. if that president was corrupt why, if president trump cared so much about corruption, why did he release the aid in 2017 and 2018 to ukraine? then i would like to get to the question of this particular amendment. i looked at that omb letter and i would call that an after-the-fact cover-up. why do i say that? i say that because if you look at the timeline, and some of my coll...

It was necessary, this military aid was necessary for supporting a stable and peaceful europe. i would also note that just recently, just a few weeks ago, two omb officials resigned. and they resigned because of deep concerns that they had about what they were being asked to do. one of those individuals worked in the legal department that issued this after-the-fact cover-up memo from omb. now let me just ask the american people this. if the president was waiting, had deep concerns about corruption and was waiting for ukraine to take major steps on corruption, let me ask you what you think any ...

Ukraine. the first one is with corruption, you know. we'll fight. we'll be the winner in this fight, i'm sure. couple of pages later in the transcript, president trump goes back, and stop corruption in ukraine, because that will really make you great. that will make you great personally, talking to zelensky, and will also be so tremendous for your nation in terms of what you want to do and where you want to take it. later president trump says i want him to do whatever he can. %-ps years. he has been here recently, just recently. but whatever he can do in terms of corruption, because the corrup...