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Bin laden's computer and zawahiri's computer. we got thousands of pages. it helped convict robert reid, the shoe bomber. his name was on that computer and some information about him. >> so even though there apparently was not phone connections or internet connections to this compound in pakistan, if he had a computer he would have been storing information on that computer? >> it's interesting. al qaeda kept almost a bureaucracy, how much leave could you take, how much time you had off, all sorts of things that were in there. so it's very interesting. and i would suspect that bin laden did keep...

But you've actually been hunting for bin laden -- >> we picked up bin laden's computer back in 2001. there's a story that some journalists -- a true story. they turned the computer over to us. we weren't sure what it was. they claimed it was bin laden's computer. and when we exploited it it was bin laden's computer and zawahiri's computer. we got thousands of pages. it helped convict robert reid, the shoe bomber. his name was on that computer and some information about him. >> so even though there apparently was not phone connections or internet connections to this compound in pakistan, if he ...

Damage and a violation of state laws and federal laws. >> i don't see that. >> gregg: hackers. hackers could get into it and find a nefarious reason could be used to track -- >> but is that apple's fault. >> gregg: a doctor's appointment or whatever. >> is that apple's fault. >> gregg: they provide the ability. >> you are talking about hackers, going into that program, and apple -- >> gregg: storing information. part of the problem, joey, google is up front about it and talked to the media and apple and jobs are secretive and the reason google is not getting sued, they said our system is anony...

Trying to wire together. there's no doubt the technologists and the scientists will work towards that. the sociology is the big issue, it's privacy versus lives. i mean, it is safety and health at stake. but those wiring of the electronic medical records brings enormous potential. >> the two concerns, privacy is one concern, you talked about it, whether you had a drug test or health information you don't want others to know about it, but there's the security idea, on the cul de sac on the information superhighway, as stan talked about, you are storing information, it's in a cloud somewhere. is...