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There is a general feeling of anxiety about obama care and people -- the majority of people do not like it. now, that could change. maybe when they go window shopping and all the exchange will say, wow! my gosh! this is amazing. but i doubt it. >> that's the communications part. eric, from the strategy perspective, what did the white house do wrong? what do you think they could have done better or even the republicans, for that matter? >> i don't -- i don't know. i think the majority of americans aren't even involved in affordable care, obama care, politic, they couldn't even tell you who the ...

To reiterate over and over again, but i think there is substantial disagreement about what conditions-based withdrawal means, don't you think? >> yeah, exactly. it's the sort of thing that right now the term gets bandied around a lot but what it means is really up for grabs, and the president pretty much decided he agrees with general petraeus by picking him to go to afghanistan that it's really going to be in substance a slow walk strategy for transitioning the afghan security control and bringing troops out after july 2011, but as -- as someone said at the hearing today, he's sort of winking...

Everybody wants to move on. >> i know you're a democratic strategist but do the republicans have a point, that in fact they have to send it back to the house and do it some kind of fix it, maybe it wouldn't pass? >> i think at this point, the bill is on course to pass. here's the mistake that the republicans made from a strategy perspective and i'm a democrat. they had a real opportunity to make meaningful change in this bill and they chose rather to engage in partisan attacks and use it as a campaign issue when there were some issues that they raised that were legitimate. now they want to blo...

Russian and american flags were thrown at the president of the united states. and what was supposed to have been a very secure area. so i think if there's an explanation along those lines, i mean, there's certainly is that climate. of security fear here. but on the other hand mr. guttenberg said kavanaugh was aware of what he said to him and, quite frankly, he felt, you know, slighted and hurt that mr. kavanaugh wasn't willing to shake his hand. >> he was on with lawrence o'donnell last night. hearing him repeat the words he was saying in that environment and i don't think any rational adult c...

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