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Any confidences or privilege material. just as a spectator watching this. one would expect that kevin downing would bear down as hard as he did. that's a classic way to cross examine a cooperating witness. i think the big strategy question is, should the prosecution have tried to take the sting out of the affair by bringing it up ahead of time the way they did by having rick disclose his trying to steal or -- his actual stealing from manafort. by not doing that, it gives the defense a little bit of an "i gotcha" moment which they really followed up on. from their point of view, really getting ...

Findings, i don't think there's any way that will happen given his conduct and showing the special counsel's office made, so i don't think he's getting out of jail. >> you're making the point that these kind of things once jailed don't start at the 50 yard line, you're at a huge disadvantage, the appeals court will likely accept the finding you have to be jailed unless you overturn or uncover something big which raises a strategy question. are lawyers doing this because they think they have a shot or to pl for him. >> it seems to me they're making every -- they're fighting hard. why exactly th...

Reporting on this, have you seen an influx in national resources from anywhere in terms of people trying to get down there and provide effective advocacy. is this existing local groups that are trying to pick up the slack and upscale to meet this big new need from this big new policy or are they getting new resources there to try to help. >> it's an interesting question. it's hard to tell what the national scope of all of this attention has allowed local advocates to do. there's obviously a handful of local advocates who are in the trenches. there are a number of national organizations, you me...

National scope of all of this attention has allowed local advocates to do. there's obviously a handful of local advocates who are in the trenches. there are a number of national organizations, you mentioned one earlier, the women's refugee commission, then there are groups like las americas or the florence project in arizona that have done more local work. these groups have done this work for a while. they've been toiling pretty much in obscurity until the current moment and i think the -- all of the national attention has helped them. it's helped them coordinate. one thing that is happening, ...

Air and we knew people knew about this and somebody leaked it and i want to respect the office of the ha-- special counl and let them do their work but i'm knoll knot doing to tell you so and so. >> is jared kushner fully cooperating with the special counsel. >> i don't know that anybody is cooperating more. he's spoken to them when asked and provided them with tons of documents that reflect what he's provided congress and what else they've asked for. he sat down in the fall when they wanted to ask questions about general flynn. and he was very happy to spend almost an entire work day when the...