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Violence. when you read this part of it, did that just sound like boiler plate language to you or was that potentially significant? >> no, there is more to it. if you actually hurt somebody with a gun and get caught at it, you are likely to get a severe penalty. what you are not likely to get a penalty for is selling a gun dealer to somebody who is not eligible. or the straw purchaser, the person without a felony conviction buying guns on the legal market for re-sale illegally to people who are going to use them in crimes, those violations are now treated as minor regulatory matters. and part ...

>> no, there is more to it. if you actually hurt somebody with a gun and get caught at it, you are likely to get a severe penalty. what you are not likely to get a penalty for is selling a gun dealer to somebody who is not eligible. or the straw purchaser, the person without a felony conviction buying guns on the legal market for re-sale illegally to people who are going to use them in crimes, those violations are now treated as minor regulatory matters. and part of what the president wants to do is make the penalties for gun trafficking more like the penalties for drug trafficking. right now ...

Leave. and and that is standard procedure when police are involved in a shooting. when asked about the incident at a news conference, the county prosecutor said it appears that all the officers acted in self-defense and were justified in returning fire. harris? >> harris: david lee miller in our newsroom tonight. thank you very much. new information now on an ambush that put firefighters in a deadly trap. police in upstate new york have arrested a woman in connection with that crime. investigators saying an ex-con named william spangler at the time set a fire on christmas eve. and when first r...

Police. the local police would have the first and primary responsibility for trying to apprehend and to investigate this. because it involved a firearm, the federal authorities usually the department of i call it -- >> tobacco and firearms. >> right. they would be brought in to look at the gun and trace how it was obtained, etcetera. now, i think here the gun was obtained legally. almost 21 years ago. >> right. in florida. >> he didn't have a permit to carry in new york but a permit to carry doesn't do much good once the gun has been used. but that's the way the response would be. and we trace...

They want the discounts. they don't believe, necessarily. one law that limits hand guns purchases to one a month which means your law-abiding citizens can buy 12 a year, who in god's name would need more than 12 hand guns a year? but it stops that straw purchaser who walks into every gun store in cleveland and in pittsburgh and in erie and buys 15 semi-automatic smith and wesson pistols. everyone knows what he's going to do with them. he's going to sell them to felons and juveniles who can't buy guns lawfully, he will make 200% profit. why not stop him? why not stop him? >> governor, i want to...