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>> no, i don't. i think it's in line with what senator kennedy and i have fought for and i have a history in the state senate of voting for to allow religious organizations to have and people to have that conscious exemption objection exemption. >> how are you rejecting contention that it goes farther. it would allow an employer to refuse to cover anyone for anything. i read the introduction of this bill today. it doesn't say religious beliefs. it says moral convictions. where is she wrong? it seems that's a loophole you could drive a truck through, no? >> jim, you know as well as i do that's ...

Provision in any health care policy for any reason of so-called conscience. >> you acknowledge that senator blunt's amendment that you're supporting goes far further than religious objections, no? >> uh, no, i don't. i think it's in line with what senator kennedy and i have fought for and i have a history in the state senate of voting for, to allow religious organizations and people to have that conscience objection exemption to allow them to practice their faith. it's one of the cornerstones of our constitution. >> it doesn't just say religious beliefs, it says moral convictions. so where is ...

Troubling, and when you look across the board, really the bottom line is how people feel about their home, you know, whether or not they can pay their bills and they have a job and i don't know, you know, i think people listen to this cbo stuff and they say, what is the point? why have a cbo if they don't give -- if they give us a range from 1.7 to 4.5 you could drive a truck through, what good are the numbers. >> it is a political exercise and the democrats want cover for a stimulus bill that is not... you put your finger in the air and do a test it doesn't feel like it is working and, the ot...