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The administration costs of having a saint canonized can be very high. it's not like you're paying to become a saint. it's because the process is so costly. >> so you have to pay the expenses? >> you have to pay the expenses for the canonization, the church does. those involved in the canonization, it can be quite costly. that is a critique, a valid critique. do we want to spend all this money to say, yes, someone is holy. it's excessive and i think it's a good question to ask. >> the other disturbing thing is the vatican ordered the arrests of the people who leaked these documents. that seems...

That they had been made since 9/11. to that extent, because he's had a lot -- a great deal of public attention, because many of his concerns have been validated by, for example, a federal judge, by the president's own study commission, he believes he has launched the public debate he wanted. >> so he also says he started out raising issues that concerned people inside the nsa. how did that turn out for him? >> yeah, that's pretty interesting. beginning in october of last year, he said he brought his concerns about the amount of information being collected to two superiors in the nsa's technolo...

Federal judge, by the president's own study commission, he believes he has launched the public debate that he wanted. >> a little side note, snowden also says that his life now is like that of an indoor cat, that he doesn't drink alcohol but he lives on ramen noodles and chips. well, a month before the winter games, you'd think russian president vladimir putin is freeing all the opponents that he's chucked into prisons. well, he isn't. we're going to talk about that. but the latest to walk free today are these two members of the punk band pussy riot, imprisoned for two years for blasphemy. t...

Barton gellman, the author of the article in the "washington post" talked about this earlier today on cnn. let's listen to what he had to say. >> what he means by mission accomplished is he wanted the public to know what was being done in its name and what was being done to it in terms of surveillance, and he wanted it to be possible that decisions be made outside the secret bubble that they had been made since 9/11. to that extent, because he's had a lot of -- a great deal of public attention, because many of his concerns have been validated by, for example, a federal judge, by the president'...

How successful might you be in overturning the death penalty. >> i think we're very successful. i think people are finding out the death penalty does not work and whether it's maryland or any of these other places that have abandoned the practice. i think maryland stands, you know, to really -- the one good thing about maryland is we have an appropriation within the bill that the savings from the death penalty would go to the victims' crime fund. it's one of the only packages that's ever been put together like this. it would really help people. we've also found as i was on the commission and g...