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MSNBC Lockup San Antonio - Extended Stay October 27, 2019 04:34:00

Raid and this mission, was actually killed. and what, if anything, they were able to gather, any kind of intelligence or evidence that, in fact, it was him. so we re still getting a lot of we have more questions than answers at this point. what s also unclear, you know, we ve obviously been asking about baghdadi, his whereabouts, whether he was alive or dead for years now. in recent days i ve actually been surprised by just how u.s. officials have talked about his role in isis. obviously he s a figure head. obviously he s someone who isis fighters throughout this region, throughout the world look up to as their leader. but it s not really clear whether he had any actual role in sort of the day do days operations of isis in recent days and months. part of that fact is obviously the head of this terror organization, he s the number one target of the u.s. military and the coalition here to try to get. so that makes it difficult just ....

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MSNBC Lockup San Antonio - Extended Stay October 27, 2019 04:56:00

If al qaeda, as is widely known, is the predominant jihadist organization in idlib, is still in control of that province which i am not under any, you know, indication that it s not it s very strange that baghdadi would go to that area of northwestern syria. again, the area that isis has thrived in has been jazeera, which is the eastern, mostly central and southeastern syria. this is the area that is the gateway, the border lands between syria and iraq. remember, isis it came into its own in iraq. it was known as al qaeda in iraq as richard pointed out. but when it was strategically defeated in the period of about 2010 to 2011, it repaired into syria. this is where it s basically set up shop. vis-a-vis, the desert lands, the areas that are difficult for any kind of government or regime to ....

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MSNBC Lockup San Antonio - Extended Stay October 27, 2019 04:32:00

On sunday, and nbc news has now confirmed the likely topic of those remarks. a u.s. military operation that targeted isis leader abu back ar al baghdadi. we are told a u.s. special ops mission targeted him overnight. the mission included helicopter, jets and u.s. drones. the u.s. received actionable intelligence from u.s. intelligence sources in recent days. and after confirming it, the mission began late yesterday local time around midnight. the u.s. fired from the air and then landed and gathered intelligence. forensic testing is underway, but they believe it was baghdadi, and that he is among the dead. several others were also killed in a convoy. the officials said maybe four or five others kid, but it s not clear how many yet. no reports of any u.s. casualties. pentagon correspondent courtney kube joins us now on the phone. courtney, what can you tell us? ....

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MSNBC Lockup San Antonio - Extended Stay October 27, 2019 04:38:00

Some sense of chaos or bit of vacuum of of what s happening with the organization. even if he s not actually out there telling his fighters where to go and whatnot, the fact that he is he may be dead here will impact the organization. in its morale, if nothing else. so, courtney, what do we know about the strength of isis overall? trump had suggested that the organization has been defeated. reporter: so, that s not true. i mean, it s not true at all. in fact, i m here in iraq where the isis fight is continuing. what is true, you ll hear u.s. military officials and leaders say that the caliphate has been defeated and that is true. and all that means is isis is not holding and controlling land as they once were. remember they were for all intents and purposes the governance in iraq and syria in 2014, 2015. that has been defeated. they are not holding land. ....

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MSNBC Lockup San Antonio - Extended Stay October 27, 2019 04:45:00

So it could be that he was, he was there on his way to turkey, coming out of turkey, looking to hide, to get out of the country. as you were just talking about, idlib is a place where a lot of hard liners, a lot of isis members have been falling back to. he would have been falling back to a group of his core supporters right there as the islamic movement, the hardline islamists from the al qaeda factions and isis had really nowhere to go after they were defeated in this defeated in their so-called caliphate. but yes, told by two sources now about this raid in addition to two other sources that my colleague is reporting about, about a raid that was targeting baghdadi and appears to have been appears to have been success frl. so, richard, you ve been covering this region for a while ....

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