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Raid and this mission, was actually killed. and what, if anything, they were able to gather, any kind of intelligence or evidence that, in fact, it was him. so we're still getting a lot of -- we have more questions than answers at this point. what's also unclear, you know, we've obviously been asking about baghdadi, his whereabouts, whether he was alive or dead for years now. in recent days i've actually been surprised by just how u.s. officials have talked about his role in isis. obviously he's a figure head. obviously he's someone who isis fighters -- throughout this region, throughout the w...

If al qaeda, as is widely known, is the predominant jihadist organization in idlib, is still in control of that province -- which i am not under any, you know, indication that it's not -- it's very strange that baghdadi would go to that area of northwestern syria. again, the area that isis has thrived in has been jazeera, which is the eastern, mostly central and southeastern syria. this is the area that is the gateway, the border lands between syria and iraq. remember, isis -- it came into its own in iraq. it was known as al qaeda in iraq as richard pointed out. but when it was strategically d...

On sunday, and nbc news has now confirmed the likely topic of those remarks. a u.s. military operation that targeted isis leader abu back ar al baghdadi. we are told a u.s. special ops mission targeted him overnight. the mission included helicopter, jets and u.s. drones. the u.s. received actionable intelligence from u.s. intelligence sources in recent days. and after confirming it, the mission began late yesterday local time around midnight. the u.s. fired from the air and then landed and gathered intelligence. forensic testing is underway, but they believe it was baghdadi, and that he is amo...

Some sense of chaos or bit of vacuum of -- of what's happening with the organization. even if he's not actually out there telling his fighters where to go and whatnot, the fact that he is -- he may be dead here will impact the organization. in its morale, if nothing else. >> so, courtney, what do we know about the strength of isis overall? trump had suggested that the organization has been defeated. >> reporter: so, that's not true. i mean, it's not true at all. in fact, i'm here in iraq where the isis fight is continuing. what is true, you'll hear u.s. military officials and leaders say that ...

So it could be that he was, he was there on his way to turkey, coming out of turkey, looking to hide, to get out of the country. as you were just talking about, idlib is a place where a lot of hard liners, a lot of isis members have been falling back to. he would have been falling back to a group of his core supporters right there as the islamic movement, the hardline islamists from the al qaeda factions and isis had really nowhere to go after they were defeated in this -- defeated in their so-called caliphate. but yes, told by two sources now about this raid in addition to two other sources t...