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About self dealing and conflicts of interest and the president appointing his children to high ranking sensitive government positions and the question of whether the president is profiting from the presidency or receiving payments from foreign governments through his businesses. if you set that stuff aside, the self dealing stuff, we are already changed as a country because before now any one of these scandals that i just mentioned in washington or around the country would be nationally riveting, a source of outrage if not bipartisan outrage. what we are doing is cataloging that stuff in the b...

During the course of this campaign. put the birtherism stuff aside, at one point, trump referred to president obama as the founder of isis. so this is a huge leap forward in their relationship and trump looks forward to talking with president obama in the future, including seeking his counsel. that is something just about everybody did not expect. you said it yourself, these sorts of moments have a way of changing people. the weight of the presidency is something that can change people and perhaps it's changing trump as well. my sense it, having covered this candidate, and now president-elect,...

I don't doubt that there is no evidence, hard evidence at this moment but you and i both know that over recent months, all terrorist communications have moved to the dark web and that is not penetrated by the intelligence committee and as a result of that, it's hard to believe with all this having gone on, these people weren't communicating with somebody and in addition to that, the suspicion it adds is the missing hard drive. we need to set that stuff aside, call this what it is. it's a terrorist attack and it was done by two people who have been radicalized. interestingly enough, a number of...

Pockets, you know what i mean? people watching should understand --. martha: worked out pretty well. if you were a banker you would do the same thing. >> i would do the same thing. i fault the government for always bailing them out. here is a big deal, stress test and all the other stuff aside, they're bigger now than they were before and risk is greater than it was before. keep that in mind. martha: that is a great point but are they lending, charles? they're only lending a little. they say there is not demand. they have a lot of excuses. i have to tell you something, it does feel almost hurt...

>> go ahead. >> did i make a point? what i am saying is people are more interested in importing their emotions into something meaning less than something meaningful. no? >> no, i don't quite -- >> all right, let me clarify. >> can i clarify what you are talking about? the song is terrible. i know i hate america and i was a member of a sect and that stuff aside, the point here is not about the song. it is about this horrifying principal who should be sent to guantanamo which i believe is a small island in cuba. but this is the preemptive. nobody has been offended by this. everybody is fine. but...